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Old 01-14-2009, 05:12 AM   #26
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Oh. Maybe water is 2nd.
My bad. Listened to it again and Ross said 2nd. Also found this:

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Did cometary impacts deliver Earth's entire oceanic supply?

From the looks of the many dry and unfriendly-seeming spots in our solar system, you might think that water, while plentiful on Earth, is a rare commodity in the galaxy. But of all molecules with three atoms, water is by far the most abundant. And in a ranking of the cosmic abundance of elements, water's constituents of hydrogen and oxygen are one and three on the list. So rather than ask why some places have water, we may learn more by asking why all places don't.
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Old 01-14-2009, 01:34 PM   #27
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Lol I hope you're kidding.

Try checking the math before making statements like the one above.
The example was thrown out off the cuff. The thing is that to switch your extimate from a billion stars with life to one star you need only switch your estimate of the probabilities from one in a trillion to one in a quintillion. Or something like that. When both numbers are so close to zero and there are so many variables involved, it need not mean you made major changes in your assumptions.
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The example was thrown out off the cuff. The thing is that to switch your extimate from a billion stars with life to one star you need only switch your estimate of the probabilities from one in a trillion to one in a quintillion. Or something like that. When both numbers are so close to zero and there are so many variables involved, it need not mean you made major changes in your assumptions.
I'm not very good at word problems in math and was hoping someone else would give some numbers. Here's my attempt, could very well be completely wrong.

Assume 1 trillion planets.
Assume 500 fine tuning factors.

Then, if each factor is .99 the number of planets is 6.5 billion.
Reducing the percentage by .01 each step produces number of planets

.98 = 41 million
.97 = 243146
.96 = 1300
.95 = 7
.94 = .03

These are obviously not hard numbers. There may be fewer fine tuning factors but also much lower probabilities. Some of the factors may not be independent. Ross has made calculations using various assumptions of this kind. He always comes out with virtually zero earth like planets.
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Old 01-14-2009, 02:58 PM   #29
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We don't know that you have to have an earth-like planet for life.
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Old 01-14-2009, 03:26 PM   #30
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We don't know that you have to have an earth-like planet for life.
that would seem a very strange requirement. Perhaps there are some big assists with certain features, say liquid water, but even that isn't known to be mandatory. A replicating molecule in an environment that supports it could be very different than our past environment.
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The example was thrown out off the cuff. The thing is that to switch your extimate from a billion stars with life to one star you need only switch your estimate of the probabilities from one in a trillion to one in a quintillion. Or something like that. When both numbers are so close to zero and there are so many variables involved, it need not mean you made major changes in your assumptions.
This was my point. If he changed his view from a billion to 0 over the last few decades he (as well as you I think) needs a lesson in error propagation. Any honest competent scientist will admit that the answer could be anywhere from 0 to billions.
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Lol, I'm surprised at you. If you ever get a solution to a problem that is that unstable your solution is generally worthless. Especially in this field where the uncertainty of every component is huge.
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Old 01-14-2009, 10:26 PM   #33
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Stu, I'll PM the link to you.

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me too please. as this thread does not appear to be moving.
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Old 01-15-2009, 05:48 PM   #34
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The link is definitely and obviously a proselytizing site and posting the link is against forum rules from the introduction on and especially the questions and answers. Which anyone can tell by clicking on the link and listening. This is not appropriate for SMP and should be moved to RGT.

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PS I will let the post stand but delete the link.
But was there anything scientific in what the guy said? I would have liked to have taken a look and decided for myself what parts had little scientific merit. We're big boys here.

It's not that I'm not willing to trust your judgment, but we don't need coddling or protection from theistic viewpoints either. Just wanted to make sure you keep that in mind.
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Lol, I'm surprised at you. If you ever get a solution to a problem that is that unstable your solution is generally worthless.
Minor nit: I think you mean to say the solution is too sensitive to uncertainty, rather than "unstable."
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He also made a very interesting comment which I've thought about before - that so many organisms have existed for many millions of years, virtually unchanged, and show no signs of developing higher intelligence - dolphins, for instance.
Wat? Why do we necessarily expect the gene pools of other populations to be subject to significant selection pressure towards higher intelligence? (Or any other particular characteristic, for that matter?)

Not to mention, Dolphins DID happen to evolve higher intelligence compared to every other species on earth, except humans and possibly the other apes. And again not to mention, the evidence shows Dolphins did in fact evolve from terrestrial ancestors much less adapted to an aquatic environment, so there was plenty of change in phenotype.

The only thing your post shows is that this person does not understand evolution very well. Given that you don't either, I'm not surprised.
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"where does my thread about dating sex robots go?"

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Minor nit: I think you mean to say the solution is too sensitive to uncertainty, rather than "unstable."
Fair point, unstable wasn't the best word to use there.
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Ok, Notready. That is fine. We can move it and you can restore your link. Which is interesting and I like listening to it. But it is not appropriate for SMP.

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I have restored the original link to Notready's OP. I will now move this thread to RGT as I promised, were the discussion can continue. I apologize for being slow on this.

This thread will still show in SMP and clicking on it should take you to the new location in RGT

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The only thing your post shows is that this person does not understand evolution very well. Given that you don't either, I'm not surprised.
He's probably the dumbest person on the planet:


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"A 7.5 Earth-mass Planet Orbiting the Nearby Star, GJ 876" Rivera, Eugenio J.; Lissauer, Jack J.; Butler, R. Paul; Marcy, Geoffrey W.; Vogt, Steven S.; Fischer, Debra A.; Brown, Timothy M.; Laughlin, Gregory; Henry, Gregory W. 2005, ApJ, 634, 625

"Solar-like Oscillations in Alpha Centauri B" Kjeldsen, Hans; Bedding, Timothy R.; Butler, R. Paul; Christensen-Dalsgaard, Jurgen; Kiss, Laszlo L.; McCarthy, Chris; Marcy, Geoffrey W.; Tinney, Christopher G.; Wright, Jason T., 2005, ApJ, 635, 1281.

2005, ``The N2K Consortium. II. A Transiting Hot Saturn Around HD 149026 With a Large Rocky Core'', Sato, B., {Fischer}, D.~A., {Henry}, G.~W., {Laughlin}, G., Ida, S., {Butler}, R.~P., {Marcy}, G.~W., {Vogt}, S.~S., , Bodenheimer, P., {Wright}, J.~T., {Johnson}, J.~A., \& others. 2005, ApJ, 633, 465

2005, ``System Parameters of the Transiting Extrasolar Planet HD 209458b'' Wittenmyer, R.~A. and {Welsh}, W.~F. and {Orosz}, J.~A. and {Schultz}, A.~B. and {Kinzel}, W. and {Kochte}, M. and {Bruhweiler}, F. and {Bennum}, D. and {Henry}, G.~W. and {Marcy}, G.~W. and {Fischer}, D.~A. and {Butler}, R.~P. and {Vogt}, S.~S., ApJ, 632, 1157

2005, ``Five New Multi-Component Planetary Systems '', Vogt, S.~S., {Butler}, R.~P., {Marcy}, G.~W., {Fischer}, D.~A., Henry,G., {Laughlin}, G., Wright,J. and Johnson,J., ApJ., 632, 638

2005,''Measurement of Spin-Orbit Alignment in an Extrasolar Planetary System'', {Winn}, J.~N. and {Noyes}, R.~W. and {Holman}, M.~J. and {Charbonneau}, D. and {Ohta}, Y. and {Taruya}, A. and {Suto}, Y. and {Narita}, N. and {Turner}, E.~L. and {Johnson}, J.~A. and {Marcy}, G.~W. and {Butler}, R.~P. and {Vogt}, S.~S., ApJ, 631, 1215

2005, ``On the Eccentricity of HD 209458b'' {Laughlin}, G. and {Marcy}, G.~W. and {Vogt}, S.~S. and {Fischer}, D.~A. and {Butler}, R.~P., ApJ Letters, 629, 121L

2005 ``The Planet-Metallicity Correlation'', {Fischer}, D.~A., \& {Valenti}, J. 2005, ApJ, 622, 1102

2005, ``A Comparison of Observationally Determined Radii with Theoretical Radius Predictions for Short-Period Transiting Extrasolar Planets'', {Laughlin}, G. and {Wolf}, A. and {Vanmunster}, T. and {Bodenheimer}, P. and {Fischer}, D. and {Marcy}, G. and {Butler}, P. and {Vogt}, S., ApJ Letters, 621, 1072

2005, ``Spectroscopic Properties of Cool Stars (SPOCS).I. 1040 F,G, and K Dwarfs from the Keck, Lick and AAT Planet Search Programs'', Valenti, J.~A., \& Fischer, D.~A.\ 2005, ApJ Suppl., 159, 141

2005, ``Radial Velocity Jitter from the California and Carnegie Planet Search at Keck Observatory'', Wright,J.T., PASP, 117, 657 .

2005, ``The N2K Consortium. I. A Hot Saturn Planet Orbiting HD 88133'', {Fischer}, D.~A. and {Laughlin}, G. and {Butler}, P. and {Marcy}, G. and {Johnson}, J. and {Henry}, G. and {Valenti}, J. and {Vogt}, S. and {Ammons}, M. and {Robinson}, S. and {Spear}, G. and {Strader}, J. and {Driscoll}, P. and {Fuller}, A. and {Johnson}, T. and {Manrao}, E. and {McCarthy}, C. and {Mu{\~n}oz}, M. and {Tah}, K.~L. and {Wright}, J. and {Ida}, S. and {Sato}, B. and {Toyota}, E. and {Minniti}, D., ApJ, 620, 481

2005, ``Observed Properties of Exoplanets: Masses, Orbits, and Metallicities'',{Marcy}, G. and {Butler}, R.~P. and {Fischer}, D. and {Vogt}, S. and {Wright}, J.~T. and {Tinney}, C.~G. and {Jones}, H.~R.~A., Progress of Theoretical Physics Supplement, 158, 24-42.

2005 ``Five New Extrasolar Planets'', Marcy,~G.~W., Butler,~R.~P., Vogt,~S.~S.,Fischer,~D.~A., Henry,~G.~W., Laughlin,~G., Wright, Jason,~T., Johnson,~J 2004, \newblock{ApJ}, 619, 570.

Butler, R.P., Vogt, S.S., Marcy, G.W., Fischer, D.A., Henry, G.W., Laughlin, G. and Wright, J.T., 2004, "A Neptune--Mass Planet Orbiting the M Dwarf, GJ 436", ApJ, 617, 580..

Marcy,G.W., Butler, R.P., Vogt, S.S., Fischer,D.A., Henry,G.W., Laughlin,G., Wright, J.T., Johnson,J. 2004, "Five New Extrasolar Planets", 2005, ApJ, 619, 570.

McArthur,B.E., Endl,M., Cochran,W.D. Benedict,G.F., Fischer,D.A., Marcy,G.W., Butler, R.P., Naef,D, Mayor,M., Queloz,D., Udry,S. Harrison,T.E. 2004, "Detection of a Neptune-mass planet in the rho-1 Cancri system using the Hobby-Eberly Telescope", 2004, ApJ L, 614, 81.

Wright,J.T.; Marcy,G.W.; Butler,R. Paul; Vogt,S.S., 2004, "Chromospheric Ca II Emission in Nearby F, G, K, and M Stars", ApJS, 152, 261

Marcy,G.W., Butler,R.P., Fischer,D.A., Vogt, S.S., 2004, Extrasolar Planets and Prospects for Terrestrial Planets, in "Bioastronomy 2002: Life Among the Stars", ASP Conference Series, IAU Symposium 213, Editors Ray P. Norris & Frank H. Stootman.

Marcy, G.W., Butler, R.P., Vogt, S.S., Fischer, D.A. 2004, A Doppler Planet Survey of 1300 FGKM Stars, in "Extrasolar Planets, Today and Tomorrow", ASP Conference Series, ed. J.-P. Beaulieu, A.Lecavelier, C.Terquem

Butler, R.P., Bedding, T.R., Kjeldsen, H., McCarthy, C., O'Toole, S. J., Tinney, C. G., Marcy, G. W., & Wright, J. T. 2004, Astrophys. J. Let, 600, L75

Kjeldsen, H., Bedding, T. R., Baldry, I. K., Bruntt, H., Butler, R. P., Fischer, D. A.; Frandsen, S., Gates, E. L., Grundahl, F., Lang, K., Marcy, G. W., Misch, A., Vogt, S. S., 2003, Astron.J., 126, 1483

Carter, B. D., Butler, R. P., Tinney, C. G., Jones, H. R. A., Marcy, G. W., McCarthy, C., Fischer, D. A., & Penny, A. J. 2003, Astrophys. J. Let, 593, L43

Fischer, D. A., Butler, R. P., Marcy, G. W., Vogt, S. S., & Henry, G. W. 2003, Astrophys. J., 590, 1081

Jones, H. R. A., Butler, R. P., Tinney, C. G., Marcy, G. W., Penny, A. J., McCarthy, C., & Carter, B. D. 2003, Monthly Notices of the Royal Astron. Soc., 341, 948

Tinney, C. G., Butler, R. P., Marcy, G. W., Jones, H. R. A., Penny, A. J., McCarthy, C., Carter, B. D., & Bond, J. 2003, Astrophys. J., 587, 423

Fischer, Debra A.; Marcy, Geoffrey W.; Butler, R. Paul; Vogt, Steven S.; Henry, Gregory W.; Pourbaix, Dimitri; Walp, Bernard; Misch, Anthony A.; Wright, Jason T. 2003, Astrophys. J., 586, 1394

Butler, R. P., Marcy, G. W., Vogt, S. S., Fischer, D. A., Henry, G. W., Laughlin, G., & Wright, J. T. 2003, Astrophys. J., 582, 455

Marcy,G.W., Butler,R.P., Vogt,S.S., Fischer,D.A. 2002, "Extrasolar Planets and Prospects for Terrestiral Planets" in Bioastronomy 2002: Life Among the Stars IAU Symposium 213, p.11, Editors: Ray P. Norris & Frank H. Stootman, Astronomical Society of the Pacific, San Francisco. ISBN 1583811710

Jones, H. R. A., Paul Butler, R., Marcy, G. W., Tinney, C. G., Penny, A. J., McCarthy, C., & Carter, B. D. 2002 , Monthly Notices of the Royal Astron. Soc., 337, 1170

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Marcy, G. W., Butler, R. P., Fischer, D. A., Laughlin, G., Vogt, S. S., Henry, G. W., & Pourbaix, D. 2002 , Astrophys. J., 581, 1375

Butler, R. Paul; Marcy, Geoffrey W.; Vogt, Steven S.; Tinney, C. G.; Jones, Hugh R. A.; McCarthy, Chris; Penny, Alan J.; Apps, Kevin; Carter, Brad D. 2002, Astrophys. J., 578, 565

Frink, S., Mitchell, D. S., Quirrenbach, A., Fischer, D. A., Marcy, G. W., & Butler, R. P., 2002, Astrophys. J., 576, 478

Nidever,D.L., Marcy,G.W., Butler,G.W., Fischer,D.A., Vogt,S.S.; 2002, ApJ Supp., 141, 503

Jones, H. R. A., Paul Butler, R., Tinney, C. G., Marcy, G. W., Penny, A. J., McCarthy, C., Carter, B. D., & Pourbaix, D. 2002 , Monthly Notices of the Royal Astron. Soc., 333, 871

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D. Pourbaix, D. Nidever, C. McCarthy, R. P. Butler, C. G. Tinney, G. W. Marcy, H. R. A. Jones, A. J. Penny, B. D. Carter, F. Bouchy, F. Pepe, J. B. Hearnshaw, J. Skuljan, D. Ramm and D. Kent; 2002, Astron & Astrophys., 386, 280-28

Vogt, S. S., Butler, R. P., Marcy, G. W., Fischer, D. A., Pourbaix, D., Apps, K., & Laughlin, G. 2002 , Astrophys. J., 568, 352

Marcy, G. W., Butler, P. R., Frink, S., Fischer, D., Oppenheimer, B., Monet, D. G., Quirrenbach, A., & Scargle, J. D. 2002 , Science with the Space Interferometry Mission,

Tinney, C. G., Butler, R. P., Marcy, G. W., Jones, H. R. A., Penny, A. J., McCarthy, C., & Carter, B. D. 2002 , Astrophys. J., 571, 528

Tinney, C. G., McCarthy, C., Jones, H. R. A., Butler, R. P., Carter, B. D., Marcy, G. W., & Penny, A. J. 2002 , Monthly Noticses of the Royal Astron. Soc., 332, 759

Liu, M. C., Fischer, D. A., Graham, J. R., Lloyd, J. P., Marcy, G. W., & Butler, R. P. 2002 , Astrophys. J., 571, 519

Jayawardhana, R., Holland, W. S., Kalas, P., Greaves, J. S., Dent, W. R. F., Wyatt, M. C., & Marcy, G. W. 2002 , Astrophys. J. Let, 570, L93

Reines, A. E. & Marcy, G. W. 2002 , Pub. Astron. Soc. Pac., 114, 416

F. Carrier, F. Bouchy, F. Kienzle, T. Bedding, H. Kjeldsen, R.P. Butler, I.K. Baldry, S.J. O'Toole, C.G. Tinney and G.W. Marcy 2002, Astronomy and Astrophysics, Research Note; accepted, ``Solar-like oscillations in Beta Hydri: confirmation of a stellar origin for the excess power''

Marcy,G.W., Butler,R.P., Vogt,S.S., Fischer,D.A., Lissauer,J.J., Rivera,E. 2001, Astrophys. J., 556, 296. ``A Resonant Pair of Planets Orbiting GJ 876''

Marcy,G.W., Butler,R.P., S.S.Vogt, Liu,M., Laughlin,G., Graham,J.R., Lloyd,J. 2001, Astrophys J., 555, 418.

Butler,R.P., Tinney,C.G., G.W.Marcy, Jones,H.R.A., Penny,A.J., Vogt, S.S., G.W.Henry, K.Apps, 2001, ``Two New Planets from the Anglo-Australian Velocity Survey'' ApJ Letters, 555, 410

Bedding,T.J., Butler, R.P., H.Kjeldsen, I.K.Baldry, S.J.O'Toole, C.G.Tinney, G.W.Marcy, F.Kienzle, F.Carrier, 2001, Astrophys. J. Letters, 549, L105.

Tinney,C.G., Butler,R.P., Marcy,G.W., S.S.Vogt, K.Apps, Henry,G.W., 2001, ``First Result from the Anglo-Australian Planet Search - A Brown Dwarf Candidate and a 51 Peg-like Planet'' Astrophys.J. Let.,551, 507

Gilliland, R. L.; Brown, T. M.; Guhathakurta, P.; Sarajedini, A.; Milone, E. F.; Albrow, M. D.; Baliber, N. R.; Bruntt, H.; Burrows, A.; Charbonneau, D.; Choi, P.; Cochran, W. D.; Edmonds, P. D.; Frandsen, S.; Howell, J. H.; Lin, D. N. C.; Marcy, G. W.; Mayor, M.; Naef, D.; Sigurdsson, S.; Stagg, C. R.; Vandenberg, D. A.; Vogt, S. S.; Williams, M. D. 2000, ``A lack of Planets in 47 Tucanae from a Hubble Space Telescope Search'',Astrophys.J.Let, 545L, 47.

Butler,R.P., S.S.Vogt, G.W.Marcy, D.A.Fischer, G.W.Henry, K.Apps, 2000, Planetary Companions to the Metal-Rich Stars BD-10 3166 and HD 52265, Astrophys. J., 545, 504.

D.A.Fischer, G.W.Marcy, Marcy,G.W., S.S.Vogt, S.Frink, K.Apps 2000, Astrophys. J., 551, 1107.

Hatzes, A.P., et al. 2000, Evidence for a Long-period Planet Orbiting Epsilon Eridani, Astrophys. J., 544L, 145

Bundy,K., Marcy,G.W. 2000, A Search for Transit Effects in Spectra of 51 Peg and HD 209458, Pub. Astron. Soc. Pacific, 112, 1421

Jayawardhana,R., Holland,W.S., Greaves,J.S.,Dent, W.R.F., Marcy, G.W., Hartmann, L. W., Fazio, G.G. 2000, Dust in the 55 Cancri Planetary System, Astrophys. J., v536, p.425.

Golimowski,D.A., Henry, T.J., Krist,J.E., Schroeder,D.J., Marcy,G.W., Fischer,D.A., Butler,R.P., 2000, The Very Low Mass Component of the Gliese 105 System, Astronomical J., v120, p2082.

Marcy,G.W., Vogt,S.S., Butler,R.P.,Apps,K. 2000, Sub-saturn Planet Candidates to HD 16141 and HD46375, Astrophysical J. Let, v.536, p.L43.

Vogt,S.S., Marcy,G.W., Butler,R.P.,Apps,K. 2000, ``Six New Planets from the Keck Precision Velocity Survey'', Astrophys. J.,v.536, p.902

Henry,G., Marcy,G.W., Butler,R.P., Vogt,S.S. 2000, A Transiting ``51 Peg-Like Planet'', Astrophys. J.Let., v529, p.L41

Marcy,G.W. & Butler,R.P. 2000, Planets Orbiting Other Suns, invited ``Millenium Essay'', Pub. Astron. Soc. Pacific, v.112, p.137

Marcy,G., Butler,R.P., Fischer,D.A., Vogt,S.S. 2000, ``Extrasolar Planets Around Main Sequence Stars'', in Bioastronomy '99 - A New Era in Bioastronomy, Proceedings of a Conference held on the Kohala Coast, Hawaii, 2-6 Aug. 1999, ASP Conference Series 213, p. 85.

Butler,R.P., Marcy,G.W., Fischer,D.A., Brown,T., Contos,A., Korzennik,S., Nisenson,P., Noyes,R.W. 1999, Evidence for Multiple Companions to Upsilon Andromedae, Astrophys. J., v.526,p.916

Cumming,A., Marcy,G. and Butler,R.P. 1999, The Lick Planet Search: Detectability and Mass Thresholds, Astrophys. J. v.526, p.890

Hauser,H., Marcy,G. 1999, The Orbit of 16 Cygni AB, Pub. Ast. Soc. Pacific, 111, 321.

Marcy,G., Butler,R.P., Vogt,S.S., Fischer, D.A., Liu,M.L. 1999, Two new Candidate Planets in Eccentric Orbits, Astrophys. Journ. v520, p239.

Fischer,D.A., Butler,R.P., Marcy,G.W., Vogt,S.S., Apps,K. 1999, Planetary Companions Around Two Solar Type Stars: HD195019 and HD 217107, Pub. Ast. Soc. Pac. ,111, 50.

Marcy,G., Butler, R.P. 1999, Extrasolar Planets: Techniques, Results, and the Future, {in Physics of Star Formation and Early Stellar Evolution}, NATO Advanced Study Institute, held at Crete, 25 May - 5 June 1998, ed. C. Lada, N.D. Kylafis, Kluwer Academic Publishers, Dordrecht.

Marcy,G., Cochran,W.D., Mayor, M. 1998, Extrasolar Planets Around Main Sequence Stars, in Protostars and Planets IV, p.1285 , eds. V.Mannings, A.Boss, S.Russell

Butler,R.P., Marcy,G., S.S.Vogt, K.Apps 1998, A Planet in a 3.1-Day Period Around a Solar Twin, Pub. Astron. Soc. Pacific, v.110, 1389

Marcy,G.W., Butler,R.P., Vogt,S.S., Fischer,D.A., Lissauer, J.J. 1998 A Planetary Companion to a Nearby M4 dwarf, Gliese 876, Astrophys. J. Letters, 505, p.147

Marcy,G.W., Butler,R.P. 1998, Detection of Extrasolar Giant Planets, in Annual Reviews of Astronomy and Astrophysics , Vol. 36, 57

Marcy,G.W. 1998, Extrasolar Planets: Back in Focus, Nature, 39, 127.

Saar,S., Marcy,G.W., Butler,R.P. 1998, Magnetic Activity-Related Radial Velocity Variations in Cool Stars: First Results from the Lick Extrasolar Planet Survey, Astrophys. Journ. Letters, 498, L153.

Basri,G. and Marcy,G.W., 1997, Early Hints on the Substellar Mass Function, in the Maryland Workshop on Star Formation, held Oct. 1996.

Marcy,G.W. and Butler,R.P. 1997, The Lick Observatory Planet Search, in Astronomical and Biochemical Origins and the Search for Life in the Universe, Proceedings of the 5th International Conference on Bioastronomy, p. 331, eds. C.B.Cosmovici, S.Bowyer, and D.Werthimer.

Marcy,G.W., Butler,R.P., ,Williams,E., Bildsten,L., Ghez,A. Jernigan,G. 1997, The Planet Orbiting 51 Peg, Astrophys Journ., Vol.481 , p926

Cochran,W.D., Hatzes,A., Butler,R.P., Marcy,G.W. 1997, The Discovery of a Planetary Companion to 16 Cygni B, Astrophys. J. v483, p457.

Butler,R.P., Marcy,G.W., Williams,E., Hauser,H. Shirts,P. 1997, Three New 51 Peg-Like Planets, Astrophys. J. Letters, 474, L115.

Rebolo,R. Martin,E.L., Basri,G.S., Marcy,G.W., Zapatero Osorio,M.R. 1996, Brown Dwarfs in the Pleiades Cluster Confirmed by the Lithium Test, Astrophys. J. Letters. 469, L53.

Butler,R.P. and Marcy G.W. 1996, The Planet Orbiting 47 UMa, Astrophys.J. Letters, 464, L153

Moore,D., Cohen, R.D., and Marcy,G.W. 1996, Spectra of Six High-Ionization Seyfert 1 Galaxies: Implications for the Narrow-Line Region, Astrophys.J., 470, 280.

Marcy,G. and Butler R.P. 1996, The Planetary Companion to 70 Vir, Astrophys.J. Letters, 464, L147

R.P.Butler, G.W. Marcy, S.S. Vogt, E.Williams, Chris McCarthy 1996, Attaining Radial Velocity Precision of 3 meters/sec, Pub. Astron. Soc. Pac.,108,500.

Basri,G., Marcy,G. and Graham,J. 1996, Lithium in Brown Dwarf Candidates: The Mass and Age of the Faintest Pleiads, Astrophys.J., 458,600

Valenti,J., Butler,R.P., and Marcy,G.W. 1995, Determining Spectrometer Instrumental Profiles using FTS Reference Spectra. Pub. Ast. Soc. Pac, 107, 966.

Marcy,G. and Butler,R.P. 1995, Radial Velocity Surveys for Brown Dwarfs and Planets, in The Bottom of the Main Sequence -- and Beyond, Proceedings of the workshop held at ESO, Garching, Germany, 8--10 August, 1994, ed. C. Tinney, p98.

Basri,G. and Marcy,G.W. 1995, A Surprise at the Bottom of the Main Sequence: Rapid Rotation and No H-alpha Emission, Astron.J.,109,762.

Valenti,J., Marcy,G.W., Basri,G. 1995, Infrared Zeeman Analysis of Epsilon Eridani, Astrophy.J. 439, 939.

Basri,G. and Marcy,G.W. 1994, Zeeman Enhancement of Lines in Extremely Active K Dwarfs, Astrophy. J., 431,844.

Marcy,G.W., Basri,G., and Graham,J. 1994, A Search for Lithium in Pleiades Brown Dwarf Candidates using the Keck HIRES Echelle, Astrophys. J. Letters, 428,L57.

Marcy,G.W., Williams,E., Mao,L. and Butler,R.P. 1993 Precise Doppler Measurements: Detection of Other Planetary Systems'', in Remote Sensing Reviews, Vol.8, pp.205.

Marcy,G.W. and Butler R.P. 1992, A Search for Extra-Solar Planets via Precise Velocities, in Ast.Soc.Pacific Conference Series, Third Decennial US-USSR Conference on the Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence, held Aug. 1991, Vol.47, pg.175, ed.G.Seth Shostak.

Basri,G., Marcy, G.W. and Valenti,J. 1992, Limits on the Magnetic Flux of Pre-Main Sequence Stars, in Astrophys. J., 390,622.

Butler,R.P. and Marcy,G.W. 1992, Precise Doppler Shifts using an Iodine Cell, Pub. Astron. Soc. Pac., 104, 270.

Fischer,D.A. and Marcy,G.W. 1992, Multiplicity among M Dwarfs, Astrophys. J., 396,178.

Marcy,G.W. and Chen,G. 1992, The Rotation of M Dwarf Stars, Astrophys. J., 390,550.

Basri,G., Marcy,G.W., and Valenti,J. 1990, Physical Realism in the Analysis of Stellar Magnetic Fields III.: Flux Tubes and Multicomponent Atmospheres", Astrophys. J., 360,650.

Marcy,G.W. and Benitz,K. 1989, A Search for Sub-Stellar Objects around Low-Mass Stars, Astrophys. J., 344, 441.

Marcy,G.W. and Moore,D. 1989, The Extremely Low Mass Companion to Gliese 623, Astrophys. J., 341, 961.

Marcy,G. and Basri,G. 1989 ``Physical Realism in the Analysis of Stellar Magnetic Fields II.: The K Dwarfs", Astrophys. J., 345,480.

Basri,G. and Marcy,G. 1988, Physical Realism in the Analysis of Stellar Magnetic Fields, Astrophys. J., 330, 274.

Marcy, G.W. and Basri, G. 1988, Magnetic Field Measurements on Late-Type Stars : A New Technique. IAU Symposium No.132, p301.

Butler, R.P., Marcy,G., Cohen, R.D., Duncan, D.K. 1987, The Pleiades rapid rotators - Evidence for an Evolutionary Sequence, Astrophys. J. Let, 319, L19,

Marcy,G., Lindsay,V., Wilson,K. 1987, Radial velocities of M dwarf stars, Pub. Astron. Soc. Pac., 99, 490.

Bruning, D., Marcy,G.W., Chenoweth,R.E. 1987, Magnetic fields on K and M dwarfs, LNP87, 291,36, in Proceedings of the fifth Cambridge workshop on Cool Stars, Stellar Systems, and the Sun held in Boulder, Colorado, july 7-11, 1987 Eds Linsky J.L., Stencel R.E. Lecture notes in physics, 291, 36-37

Marcy, G.W., V. Lindsay, J.C. Bergengren, and D. Moore, 1986: A Dynamical Search for Sub-Stellar Objects. In: Proceedings of the Workshop on the Astrophysics of Brown Dwarfs, M. Kafatos (editor), Cambridge University Press, 50–57.

Marcy,G.W., Duncan,D.K. and Cohen,R.D. 1985, Short Time-Scale Periodicity in H-alpha Emission from the Main-Sequence Star H II 1883, Astrophys. J, 288, 259

Marcy,G.W., Duncan,D.K., Cohen,R.D. 1984, Short Time-Scale Periodicity in H Alpha Emission from the Main-Sequence Star HZ 1883''. Pub Ast. Soc Pac, 96, 790

1984 Marcy,G.W. and Bruning,D.H. 1984, Magnetic field observations of evolved stars, Astrophys. J, 281, 286,

Marcy,G.W. 1984, Observations of Magnetic Fields on Solar-Type Stars, Astrophys. J, 276, 286

Marcy,G.W. 1982, A Technique for Measuring Magnetic Fields on Solar-Type Stars,' Pub. Ast. Soc. Pac, 94,989 A

Marcy,G.W. 1980, The Magnetic Field on the Late-Type Dwarf Xi Bootis A, Astrophys. J.,245,624

Cohen,R.D., Marcy,G.W. and Harlan,E.A. 1980, FG Sagittae - A binary?, Astron. J, 85, 867

Marcy,G.W. 1980, NGC 2264 and NGC 7000/IC 5070 Revisited - A New Search for Emission H-Alpha Stars, Astron. J, 85, 230

Bodenheimer,P., Grossman,A.S., Decampli,W.M., Marcy,G.,Pollack,J.B. 1980, Calculations of the Evolution of the Giant Planets'' Icarus, 41,293
For those in the area, the "dummy" will be giving a lecture in the Bay area 1/17 10:30a.m.:

http://www.bayareascience.org/calend...=detail&eID=82

Edit: Ironic, just noticed the lecture, open to the public, will be at Berkeley, Genetics and Plant Biology Bldg.

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He's probably the dumbest person on the planet:
I didn't say he was "dumb." Nor did I read or hear his comment directly, so for all I know you quoted him out of context or whatever.

Regardless, his qualifications (in an unrelated field no less) are irrelevant; I can only go by what he says. It's not necessarily that surprising that he doesn't understand evolution. Dr. Michael Behe, for example, doesn't either, and he's a biology professor. Nor for that matter does your favorite Hugh Ross. (In fact, Dr. Ross doesn't seem to understand even very basic science.)
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I didn't say he was "dumb." Nor did I read or hear his comment directly, so for all I know you quoted him out of context or whatever.

Regardless, his qualifications (in an unrelated field no less) are irrelevant; I can only go by what he says. It's not necessarily that surprising that he doesn't understand evolution. Dr. Michael Behe, for example, doesn't either, and he's a biology professor. Nor for that matter does your favorite Hugh Ross. (In fact, Dr. Ross doesn't seem to understand even very basic science.)
You should go back to SMP - you might have some credibility there.

Edit: Let's see, Marcy got a summa cum in a double major and a Ph.D., Behe has a Ph.D. in biochemistry and Ross has a Ph.D. And according to you, none of them know anything about evolution. And Ross doesn't even understand basic science. You're a real howler.
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You should go back to SMP - you might have some credibility there.
True enough, things I post are more similar to what a scientist or a philosopher would say than an evangelical.

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Edit: Let's see, Marcy got a summa cum in a double major and a Ph.D.,
You are probably right that I was too quick to negatively judge Marcy based on one (supposed) point, related second hand by you (or anyone else). Besides, according to you, Marcy accepts evolution and common descent, etc. Does this mean you agree with him?

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Behe has a Ph.D. in biochemistry and Ross has a Ph.D. And according to you, none of them know anything about evolution. And Ross doesn't even understand basic science. You're a real howler.
Do you realize that both Behe and Ross have written books and/or posted stuff on websites which 99.99% of esteemed PhD scientists would agree is pseudo-scientific nonsense? Are all those scientists "howlers" too?
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Edit: Let's see, Marcy got a summa cum in a double major and a Ph.D., Behe has a Ph.D. in biochemistry and Ross has a Ph.D. And according to you, none of them know anything about evolution. And Ross doesn't even understand basic science. You're a real howler.
If your argument is that all science Ph.Ds understand evolution and all of "basic science" you will lose. I personally do not feel I know enough about evolution to teach it to college freshman without a decent bit of study first.
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I predict that this will become the common refrain in RGT whenever an atheist disagrees with a theist.
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I predict that this will become the common refrain in RGT whenever an atheist disagrees with a theist.
Only when they make the usual mindless, idiotic statements that characterize SMP atheism.
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I just noticed that the link was put back and I'll check it out. In the meantime...

It seems that you've managed to find someone with an admirable scientific pedigree who doubts evolution. I might doubt the existence god, but I never doubted the existence of such people.

I'm not sure why you think it's such a big deal though. For every Geoffrey W Marcy there are 90 other scientists who are equally if not more educated who disagree with him. Why do you seek the exception rather than the rule and tout it as something of significance?
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I just noticed that the link was put back and I'll check it out. In the meantime...

It seems that you've managed to find someone with an admirable scientific pedigree who doubts evolution. I might doubt the existence god, but I never doubted the existence of such people.

I'm not sure why you think it's such a big deal though. For every Geoffrey W Marcy there are 90 other scientists who are equally if not more educated who disagree with him. Why do you seek the exception rather than the rule and tout it as something of significance?
What do you mean by 90 such scientists ... oh never mind nice edit.
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I just noticed that the link was put back and I'll check it out. In the meantime...

It seems that you've managed to find someone with an admirable scientific pedigree who doubts evolution.
Not evolution, just extraterrestrial life.
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I think the person you are arguing with has a Ph.d so his statements can't be idiotic right?
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