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03-04-2015 , 01:06 PM
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it, you'd have good people doing good things and evil people doing bad things, but for good people to do bad things, it takes religion."
~Steven Weinberg
Nobe Laureate


"Religion is based . . . mainly on fear . . . fear of the mysterious, fear of defeat, fear of death. Fear is the parent of cruelty, and therefore it is no wonder if cruelty and religion have gone hand in hand. . . . My own view on religion is that of Lucretius. I regard it as a disease born of fear and as a source of untold misery to the human race." [Bertrand Russell]
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03-05-2015 , 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by thekid345
Interested in how you react to the fact that according to the Quran, a human cant be condemned to death for leaving Islam, the punishment is in the after life according to numerous Islamic scholars who will suggest that in the numerous times apostasy is mentioned in the Quran, that not once is the death penalty mentioned.

The death penalty in the USA, as well as the death penalty in Saudi Arabia are somewhat similar. While one can note different types of law systems between Saudi and the U.S, the truth is that folks you and I may consider innocent may end up getting sentenced to death, as well as having the death sentence carried out in both the USA and Saudi Arabia.
Nice to see you are still embarrassing yourself around here. Defending the Saudi Arabia "legal" system, lol.
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03-05-2015 , 07:34 AM
Oh no thekid vs Lily.
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03-05-2015 , 12:19 PM
What has been suggested by some folks is that while Jews were allowed to live in Muslim majority lands of the past, that they were never treated as equals,


The following source,

Law and Colonial Cultures: Legal Regimes in World History, 1400-1900

Talks about how Jews found justice in Muslim courts during the late 16th century in Jerusalem, this include cases involving Jews and Muslims. You might have a case in the late 16th century in Jerusalem where a Muslim court rules in favor of a Jew, this type of stuff is not talked about often, and its important that it is established that its historically incorrect to suggest Muslims have a history of mistreating others.

https://books.google.com/books?id=rZ...tivity&f=false
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03-05-2015 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Lily17
I think you should study human nature and compare the Koran verses with the bible before making too many claims.

Human nature is volatile and varies by individual.

Muhammad advocated the conquest of infidels while Jesus Christ advocated turning the other cheek.

Muhammad led with his armies.

Jesus Christ led with his teachings and backed them with his life.

Islam is an old covenant type religion.
Specifically, what claims? Please quote them.


Three of the world's major religions -- the monotheist traditions of Judaism, Christianity, and Islam -- were all born in the Middle East and are all inextricably linked to one another. Christianity was born from within the Jewish tradition, and Islam developed from both Christianity and Judaism.

While there have been differences among these religions, there was a rich cultural interchange between Jews, Christians, and Muslims that took place in Islamic Spain and other places over centuries.


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnec...pagewanted=all

The old take a look at the Quran/Bible approach. I have heard this from many types of people, Athesits whom say look at this Bible/Quran quote, therefore your religion is intolerant, some Christians will say look at these Muslims and Jews, how can they deny Christ? And so on and so forth.

Christ himself talked about staying away from telling others that large groups of peaceful people are out to get.

I feel that it goes against the three religions of Abraham to oppress others, you will hear a different viewpoint from other posters though. I find that Muhammad advocated standing up for justice, you will find that in fact , Muhammad made pacts with non Muslims. Also, it was a fact that Omar(companion of Muhammad ) lifted the previous roman ban on Jews in Jerusalem.

Last edited by thekid345; 03-05-2015 at 01:04 PM.
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03-05-2015 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lily17
You need to study the nature of the 3 religions before assuming similarities makes them interchangeable.

Judaism is Old Covenant.

Christianity is New Covenant.

Islam is a reversion to an Old Covenant type religion.

Muhammad tried to substitute the Koran for the bible to try to transfer the birthright from Jacob to Ishmael.

So in a sense Muhammad called God a liar.

Do you think a prophet gets to correct God?

Jesus Christ on the other hand said he came to fulfill the Law....not one jot or tittle of the law was to pass away until all things were fulfilled...
Your telling me to study the nature of the 3 religions before assuming similarities makes them interchangeable.

I have heard some Christians say that Jews and Muslims cant be saved, or that Jews and Muslims are bound for hell, what are your thoughts on this?
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03-06-2015 , 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Lily17
Muhammad led with his armies.

Jesus Christ led with his teachings and backed them with his life.
"Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword."
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03-06-2015 , 01:46 PM
The voice of moderate Islam in the UK

http://youtu.be/afdeFuJbK3E

Sad that he won't even condemn death by stoning
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04-06-2015 , 01:13 AM
This is pretty interesting. It is a list of people that Mohammed had killed, and why. Many of these are for perceived insults such as "opposed Mohammed through poetry."

This list might explain a lot of what we are seeing in the Muslim word concerning their hyper-sensitivity to criticisms of the prophet.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/List_of_Ki...ed_by_Muhammad
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04-18-2015 , 11:03 PM
I think most Islamists are a little behind in times.
I think in their culture they marry their cousins right?
Stone woman to death for wearing the wrong socks, right?
Treat their woman like slaves, right?
Kill in the name of god, right?
Child marriage/ child rape is ok, right?
Wonder what I have forgotten?

I think you have to draw the line somewhere when it comes to religion. All claim to be righteous, all claim to be the right religion.

When confronted with the above, all are silent. Like it does not happen in their religion!
I am sure the Koran makes some good points, but the same can be said of 1000000's of other books. Why WHY WHY WHY live your life according to a book that's a 1000 years old? I guess if people need some sort of authority in their lives then this is the way to go, right!
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05-03-2015 , 10:03 PM
Bump: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...-texas-n352996

I mean this was a stupid event to hold but I really am not sure that even matters a little
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05-17-2015 , 08:51 AM
The fear and ostracism of apostates

http://www.theguardian.com/global/20...n-crisis-faith
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05-17-2015 , 08:52 AM
French sociologist Oliver Roy in laicite, French identity, and more

http://www.jadaliyya.com/pages/index...he-myth-of-nat
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05-18-2015 , 10:35 AM
Listen to these Jewish and Muslim heroes coming together to do the holy work of feeding hungry and homeless people.


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05-27-2015 , 08:42 PM
How to prevent radicalization

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How best to establish, for instance, that the actions of jihadis in beheading their foes are indeed contrary to Islam? Fighters for the Islamic State might well point out that the Qur’an describes angels decapitating unbelievers with the aim of spreading terror; that the first Muslims are described as harvesting heads on the battlefield of Badr; that Muhammad himself is said to have owned a sword that can be translated as ‘Cleaver of Vertebrae’. It is not enough, within such a context, merely to insist that Islam is a religion of peace, and leave it at that. Muslim scholars have an urgent responsibility to demonstrate in the most painstaking detail exactly where and why the jihadis are wrong. Just as Christian intellectuals, in the wake of the Holocaust, were obliged to confront the evil purposes to which the New Testament had been put, and recalibrate their understanding of it on a theological level, so do their Muslim counterparts today need to redeem their own scriptures from the taint of savagery that is doing so much to blacken the image of their religion.
- See more at: http://www.theosthinktank.co.uk/comm....xU6UHRDe.dpuf
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10-02-2015 , 03:01 PM
Bump.

Muhammad was a pedophile who married a 6 y/o girl and consummated the marriage when she was 9. This religion hails a child molester as GOD but yet we aren't allowed to criticize it as a flawed religion encouraging of all sorts of wrong bull****?
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10-02-2015 , 03:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Lilu7
Bump.

Muhammad was a pedophile who married a 6 y/o girl and consummated the marriage when she was 9. This religion hails a child molester as GOD but yet we aren't allowed to criticize it as a flawed religion encouraging of all sorts of wrong bull****?

How are you not allowed to criticize the flaws of the religion if that is what you are apparently doing?

I feel allowed and think I am allowed to criticize both the flaws of religion and the flaws of criticism of religion.

I do not understand why you would think or feel oppressed in this regard?
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10-02-2015 , 08:30 PM
Do yoiu understand why someone like Salman Rushdie or a cartoonist would?
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05-03-2020 , 08:49 AM
That's some serious necromancy
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08-29-2020 , 09:49 PM
Is Mohammed like a islamic Jesus?
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09-01-2020 , 02:59 PM
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Is Mohammed like a islamic Jesus?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uem_0GQP-zY
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