Who gets to define what a bad life is? I am guessing a lot of people would disagree with your definition, whatever it is

That's pretty debateable.

A lot of people make excuses for their bad lifestyles these days, sometimes vehemently, but the principles which govern what's good and bad vis a vis human relations and how to conduct oneself are pretty universal and unchanging. That's why scriptures which are thousands of years old still resonate with so many people.

you didnt answer my question though.

You don't need scriptural evidence. Just look at your reaction when you hear the gospel. The good news can be said simply in 4 words: you are the Christ.

Incomprehensible to the atheist.
Incomprehensible and offensive to the religionist.

That is not the same "good news" NotReady accepts as the gospel, but I'll let him elaborate.

Everyone is when they are born.

That's just part of the message (the law). The rest of it is, because you're a natural man (a sinner), you can't not live a bad life. And finally, there is hope, which is found in the forgiveness of God through Christ.

The fact that people ask that question to chip away at morality and eventually destroy it is the reason why religions are useful. It is not important that the religions have to be perfect all the time but it is important that there are moral rules which people can't destroy. In a society without moral rules we get Gomorrah. In reality we get an anything goes society with a lowest common denominator attitude to morality.

yes, but u still didnt answer my question. Who gets to decide?

there are moral questions that everyone can agree on, yes. But, for example, you appear to believe that smoking pot is wrong, and people should be punished for doing it. I , and probably lots of others, dont believe that.

The poster said he did some lines as well and I'm guessing he wasn't talking about a school punishment. I think we can all agree that it is wrong to get out of your tree on substances. How wrong depends on how often it's done and which substance it is.

There is a Way out of that religious dogma. Look at this:

Q: Were you created by God?
A: Yeah.
Q: Made in the image and likeness of God?
A: Yeah, of course.
Q: Is God a sinner?
A: NO!
Q: And you, made in His likeness, are a sinner?
A: wait, wat?
Q: God is Spirit and Spirit begets spirit, yet you are a lump of coal?
A: huh?
Q: Why do you believe that God the Eagle created you as a skunk?
A: ......
Q: A skunk who needs to become a rabbit and then a squirrel and then a lamb and then, maybe one day, far away in the future, you might just become, not quite an eagle, but something like a falcon?
A: wtf are you talking about!

Q: God is Light?
A: Yeah
Q: The same Light that lighteth every man that comes into the world?
A: There's something in the bible about that, iirc.
Q: Christ is the light of the world?
A: Yes!
Q: You are the light of the world?
A: the bible says so
Q: And you're trying to become the light of the world?
A: Yeah
Q: Why are you trying to become what you already are?
A: ....

Religion's news is that there is a remedy for your sin. The Good News is that there is a remedy for the sinner. And the remedy is: you are not that! Religion teaches you that you are a skunk and you need to become like the Eagle. The truth is that you are a son of God, the light of the world.

Q: How do you know you are a sinner?
A: Look at what I've done!
Q: What tells you that you are a sinner?
A: What do you mean?
Q: Thoughts declare that you are a sinner?
A: .....

Your entire life you’ve mistaken the contents of your mind for you. 40,000 thoughts a day telling you a story of self: an unrepentant sinner self, the saved sinner self, the good self today, the bad self yesterday, I am happy today, I was depressed last week. Thoughts telling you a story of an image to be maintained, an identity to be managed, a self to be preserved, defended and made better.

There is good news. You don't have to ride the artificial rollercoaster of self. You are already all that you are trying to become. We just believe otherwise and we see mentation all day instead of what is.

You are an eagle who believes he is a skunk! So, instead of working trying to improve the skunk, work with the belief that you are a skunk. That is where the error is. You could say, you are a son of God overlayed with thoughts about a story of self. When the overlay is removed, what remains beneath it?

Jesus said, If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me.

To deny is: to state that (something declared or believed to be true) is not true: to refuse to agree or accede to: to refuse to recognize or acknowledge; disown; disavow.

Deny the self. You are not that. See through it. Cease cherishing it's opinions. Lay it down. When you see through the error of self, naturally vistas of realization and actualization appear, and that which you are can become known.

Ok, I guess you are not going to answer my question, so I am done trying to get you to.

False. Now answer his question, please.

We know what being good is if we are in touch with our spiritual side.

So why can't you answer his question?

What if I dont believe in a spiritual side? Why do you believe in a spiritual side if you are an atheist?

You still havent answered my question.

Can also add another one

Who judges if someone is in touch with their spiritual side or not?

You have spiritual side whether you like it or not. You might as well say you don't believe in heads. No-one can judge perfectly. Like any form of perfection it is slightly beyond us. Some religious people will tell you that their God is perfect.

Define spiritual side. Where is it? what does it do? How do you know you have one? You asserting it does nothing

And you still havent answered my original question. Here it is again in case you have forgotten it

Who gets to define what a bad life is?

I thought the answer was obvious , Cwocwoc gets to decide. At least that's the conclusion he's come to in his own obviously troubled mind.

It's obvious he'll evade any serious question where his answer will obviously prove himself even more of judgemental , holier than though , troubled human being.

This sounds exactly like something a politician would say, except when politicians say that something is 'wrong' they're referring to the majority's opinion of that something. When the majority's opinion was that the sun revolved around the earth, going by this logic, that must have meant that it was true.

"The vital principle or animating force within living beings"

Only God is perfect at this but spiritually pure people can get close to perfection and even scumbags usually know enough to realise that they are leading bad lives.

All you are doing is moving the definition backwards, from "who gets to define what a bad life is" to "who gets to define what spiritually pure is"

Your definition of spiritual seems vague and meaningless. Even if its a true definition, it tells you nothing about morality.

Give me an example of a spiritually pure person whos definition of a bad life you would accept, and whos laws of morality you would accept

It's a dictionary definition. The spirit is not corporeal it is a characteristic of consciousness so all you need is a brain.

That's where it comes from.

The principles are pretty universal. Apart from a few "hard case" scenarios there is no argument except froim scumbags who want to justify their badness.

Some principles may be universal. Others arent. You for instance, appear to believe that smoking weed is wrong. Others dont. So thats not universal.

I note you didnt answer my questions again, btw.