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I'm Catholic. And I really hate people getting abortions. My motto is ' pro choice, choose life.'

But I've been listening to a lot of christian radio lately, and it makes me sick how inconsistent they can be, talking about republican nonsense, smaller government, and yet wanting the government to step in and control the choices that individuals should have to make for themselves. Maybe I should have posted this in politics. And sorry for not developing this post, I'm on my phone. Thats my excuse and I'm sticking to it.

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05-16-2011 , 01:36 AM

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If you cant convince em, force em.

edit: unless ur a libertarian, then i guess u just gotta convince em.

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05-16-2011 , 02:00 AM

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I guess if we keep it to "religion and its influence on politics" instead of the politics per se, it can stay here.

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05-16-2011 , 02:20 AM

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Well have any of you listened to religious talk radio? The political agenda is not only ridiculous but terrifying. I don't trust people much, and even being religious I'm afraid of the unthinking religious. How many people will just do what they hear on the radio because it's 'christian'

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05-16-2011 , 09:16 AM

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Is there something in the Bible that directly refers to the subject or is pro life an interpretation?

I wonder why isn't the Christian position to force everybody to have at least an X amount of children. If one lets his/her imagination go, birth control could be even worse. The fetus goes to heaven but if there is no fetus you deny somebody in your nutsack/uterus his/her existance.

I hope this makes sense.

Can't comment on Christian radio.

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05-16-2011 , 10:03 AM

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So you are pro choice from the day one of impregnation? Or do you have some type of rule like, anything after 3rd month should be kept?

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05-16-2011 , 10:37 AM

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i think there's some verse about life being breathed into the body at birth or something supporting pro choice. catholic dogma is more than just what you get in the bible. any world class pros elaborate?

The OP is a Catholic but I'm willing to bet that every Abrahamic denomination is also pro life. Once you agree that life is a God given gift, you don't have too much room for anything else.

If there is indeed such a verse in the Bible though, I'm interested why there isn't a Christian group that is openly in support of abortions.

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05-16-2011 , 10:47 AM

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The bible is so contradictory when it comes to the value of life one cannot be sure what is actually going on in there. The old testament is far away from claiming that life is precious and that god is pro life, he certainly wasn't pro choice when he drowned 99.999999 percent of life on earth, or when he sent those bears to kill these kids who made fun of a bold man. Either god is a hypocrite or those who claim in their text that it was god who killed all these children, lied.... You tell me what's more more likely....

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05-16-2011 , 10:57 AM

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Splendour says, "don't be a literalist".

Looking into God's actions and basing one's morality on them is a poor idea imo b/c one is not God etc. (I'm talking about believers.) I think people are supposed to draw morality from the Moseses and Abrahams and Marys, even Jesus, although he is technically God but you know what I mean.

That said, does anybody know of a complicated birth story in the Bible? It should be the best place to draw conclusions from about the Bible's message regarding abortion imo.

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05-16-2011 , 11:06 AM

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Is there something in the Bible that directly refers to the subject or is pro life an interpretation?

I wonder why isn't the Christian position to force everybody to have at least an X amount of children. If one lets his/her imagination go, birth control could be even worse. The fetus goes to heaven but if there is no fetus you deny somebody in your nutsack/uterus his/her existance.

I hope this makes sense.

Can't comment on Christian radio.

This does not make sense.

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05-16-2011 , 11:14 AM

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Splendour says, "don't be a literalist".

I don't need to be GOD to know that killing someone because they made fun of you is not a moral thing to do.

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05-16-2011 , 11:15 AM

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Is there something in the Bible that directly refers to the subject or is pro life an interpretation?

One reason I am pro-life is because I believe the ideology which has caused the most evil in the world(in my opinion) is that which allows some human beings to be valued less than others. I think you can look at virtually any genocide and see that ideology at its foundation. To be pro-abortion is to embrace that ideology.

You do not need the bible to justify a pro-life position. All that is required is a well formed conscious.

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05-16-2011 , 11:20 AM

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Are you pro-life with no exceptions?

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05-16-2011 , 11:30 AM

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It is the potential mother's right to do whatever she wants. Who am I to tell her what (not) to do? If I do so I am effectively not treating her as an equal person imo. In fact, I think it's enough of a mental damage for her to have an abortion and me waving some morality at her is not what constitutes "a well formed conscious". Compassion should not be reserved for unborn children.

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Are you pro-life with no exceptions?

I believe abortion for rape and incest is wrong.

In cases where the mothers life is in danger, then reasonable care must be taken to preserve the life of fetus. For instance it is okay to treat an ectopic pregnancy to save the life of the mother even if such treatment will end the life of the fetus. However if the means are available to save the fetus then an attempt must be made to save it.

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05-16-2011 , 11:32 AM

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I believe abortion for rape and incest is wrong.

Are you serious? I wonder if you were a woman would you have the same view.

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05-16-2011 , 11:37 AM

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On top of the ridiculousness of linking abortions to genocide, this post is very misleading. Surely you don't actually think that pro-choicers believe that a fetus is a human being, only one valued less than other human beings, right? I mean, it should be obvious that the argument is that life begins at some point after conception, so an abortion is not the killing of a life.

It's ok to disagree with the question of where life begins, but it's not ok to mischaracterize the other side of this debate in the manner that you have.

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05-16-2011 , 11:38 AM

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I believe abortion for rape and incest is wrong.

An HIV-positive pregnant 14 years old in Central Africa, that is herself malnutrioned and her daily life revolves around her getting enough water and food in order to continue living wants to have an abortion. You'd deny her, nice guy. I bet you'd "care" about the baby's future too.

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05-16-2011 , 11:40 AM

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Once the human being is concieved there is no potential mother only an actual one. However if you follow your thinking then Casey Anthony should not be prosecuted for murder because it is wrong for others to wave some morality at her. I suspect you do advocate prosecuting Casey Anthony because you value 2 year old human beings much more than you value unborn human beings.

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05-16-2011 , 11:43 AM

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Would you be okay with said 14 year old killing her 1 year old baby because she didn't want to deal with the problem of feeding it and herself?

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05-16-2011 , 11:44 AM

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A fetus does not equal a 2yo kid, however you want to picture it, it does not. One is a fetus, the other is a human being, one is on its way to becoming one, the other is one.

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Would you be okay with said 14 year old killing her 1 year old baby because she didn't want to deal with the problem of feeding it and herself?

How can you compare a 1 year old to a 1 month old fetus?

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05-16-2011 , 11:47 AM

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How can you compare a 1 year old to a 1 month old fetus?

How can you not without being arbitrary?

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05-16-2011 , 11:47 AM

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Would you be okay with said 14 year old killing her 1 year old baby because she didn't want to deal with the problem of feeding it and herself?

No. Honestly, I don't think my morality of an overpriviliged male would be applicable but I still think it is sad and wrong. But you know what, if said girl had an abortion, we wouldn't have the problem.