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01-02-2011 , 01:48 AM
Physics and Metaphysics.

John Polkinghorne and his book ‘ Quantum theory’.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Polkinghorne

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I like to read his books because they raise many questions.
And these questions give information for brain to think.
John Polkinghorne took epigraph of his book ‘ Quantum theory’
the Feynman’s thought : ‘ I think I can safely say that
nobody understands quantum mechanics. ‘
Why?
Because, he wrote:
‘ ,we do not understand the theory as fully as we should.
We shall see in what follows that important interpretative
issues remain unresolved. They will demand for their
eventual settlement not only physical insight but also
metaphysical decision ’.
/ preface/
‘ Serious interpretative problems remain unresolved,
and these are the subject of continuing dispute’
/ page 40/
‘ If the study of quantum physics teaches one anything,
it is that the world is full of surprises’
/ page 87 /
‘ Metaphysical criteria that the scientific community take
very seriously in assessing the weight to put on a theory
include: . . . .’
/ page 88 /
‘Quantum theory is certainly strange and surprising, . . .’
/ page92 /
‘ Wave / particle duality is a highly surprising and
instructive phenomenon, . .’
/ page 92 /

Togetherness.
John Polkinghorne, as a realist, want to know
‘ what the physical world is actually like’, but until now
physicists don’t have the whole picture of Universe.
And in my opinion John Polkinghorne was right writing
what to understand the problems of creating the Universe:
‘ They will demand for their eventual settlement not only
physical insight but also metaphysical decision ’.
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So, maybe, Aristotle was right separating the knowledge of Nature:
on two parts: Physics and Metaphysics.
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus.

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If your god is dead, try mine. Quote
01-02-2011 , 10:15 AM
Particles are not mathematical points in QFT. This thread is an introduction to the mathematical background for what particles are.
If your god is dead, try mine. Quote
01-03-2011 , 01:56 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by madnak
Particles are not mathematical points in QFT. This thread is an introduction to the mathematical background for what particles are.
Which geometrical form does particle have?
‘stringlike’ . . . ?
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- Hallelujah !! String Theory !!
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Science has always been a source of heresy.
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Lee Smolin wrote:
I have written this book in the hope that it will contribute
to an honest and useful discussion among experts and
lay readers alike.
/ ‘ The trouble with Physics’. Page XVIII. /
I will take Smolin’s proposition and try to explain my
amateur’s thoughts about that was called ‘String theory’.
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Three years ago I posted an article ‘ The Special Theory
of Relativity’ I wrote:
‘ String theory acts in 11- D space.
But if we don't know what 1+1 = 2 is
how can we know what 5+4 = 9 is?
And if we don't know what 4-D negative Mincowski space
is how can we understand 11-D space ( String theory) ?’
I wrote: . . . .
‘If I were a king, I would publish a law:
every physicist who takes part in the creation
of 4D space and higher is to be awarded a medal
"To the winner over common sense".
Why?
Because they have won us using the
absurd ideas of Minkowski and Kaluza. ‘
This was a reason that I refused to read any information
about ‘String theory’.
And later on different forums I posted emails, trying
to explain, that the point is only a shadow of real particle,
that it is impossible to understand Physics and Nature
thinking of particle as a point.
I wrote: In 1915 Einstein connected Mass with Geometry.
Maybe now, in 2010, somebody will try to understand the
interaction between an elementary particle and geometry.
I wrote:
If physicists think about a particle as a " mathematical point"
the result can be only paradoxical. And I am sure if somebody
takes into consideration the geometrical form of particle
the paradoxes in Physics will disappear.
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Travelling in Scotland, by chance, in a secondhand shop
I bought a book: ‘ The trouble with Physics’ by Lee Smolin.
This book changed my opinion about ‘String theory’.
Now I say: Hallelujah ! Hallelujah ! Why? Because
‘… particles could not be seen as points, which is how
they always been seen before. Instead, they were ‘stringlike’,
existing only in a single dimension, and could be stretched, . .
And . . . they vibrated.’ / Page 103. / ‘ . . the idea of particles
as vibrations of strings was the missing link that could work
powerfully to resolve many open problems.’ / Page 124./
It is nice. It is pleasant to read this idea.
So, the string particle is a dynamic particle. And the string can
have different geometric forms: ‘String can be both closed and
open. A closed string is a loop. An open string is a line;
it has ends’. / Page 106./ And now few physicists try to connect
forces, movement and geometry of the quantum particle together.
Hallelujah ! It is a progress. It is a step to truth.
Now I say: the truth is hidden in the ‘ String theory ’.
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But there are many string theories. And the growing catalogue
of string theories evokes trouble. Because one theory is better
than the other one, but at the same time each new theory brings
new problems. Maybe therefore Lee Smolin wrote:
‘ . . . at least one big idea is missing.
How do we find that missing idea?’ / Page 308. /
Interesting: What was missed by ‘ the brightest and
best- educated scientists’ who worked very hard doing
many complicated calculations ?
New particle? New D ? New force? New idea?
Where did they have an error?
I will try to understand this situation.
#
If I were professor I would great super – super 55D for
explaining everything. But I am a peasant and the best way
for me is to take the simplest reference frame – the Euclidean
space ( 2D) . And maybe (who knows ?) Newton was right
saying: ‘ Truth is ever to be found in simplicity,
and not in the multiplicity and confusion of things.’
Now I will put a virtual- ideal particle in this 2D.
The 2D is a thin and flat homogeneous space, so my particle
also must be thin and flat and very symmetrical.
Can it be a very thin and tiny limited line- string?
No. In my opinion even this very thin and tiny line
under good microscope will be looked as a rectangle.
Can it be a very thin and tiny limited loop?
No. The geometrical form of a loop is too complex,
needs supplementary forces to create it.
Can it be a very thin and tiny limited circle?
Yes.
From all geometrical forms the circle is the most symmetrical.
The surface of a circle takes up the minimal area it can and
I will write it by formula: C/D= pi= 3.14. (!)
But I can put many particles there, for example,
Avogadro’s number of particles: N(a). (!)
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What is my next step?
If I were a mathematician I would say nothing.
But if I were a physicist I would say that 2D must have
some physical parameters like: volume (V), temperature (T)
and density (P). Yes, it seems the idea is right.
Then, volume (V) is zero,
temperature (T) is zero
but . . but density (P) cannot be zero if 2D is a real space
then its density can approximately be zero.
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What can I do with these three parameters?
I have only one possibility, to write the simplest formula:
VP/T=R (Clapeyron formula !)
What is R? R is some kind of physical state of my 2D.
And if I divide the whole space R by Avogadro’s
numbers of particles then I have a formula R/ N(a) = k,
then k ( as a Boltzmann constant) is some kind of
physical state of one single virtual- ideal particle. (!)
#
But all creators of Quantum theory said that this space,
as a whole, must have some kind of background energy (E).
And its value must be enormous.
But the background mass of every Avogadro’s particles
in 2D has approximately zero mass, it is approximately
massless (M).
So, if I divide enormous energy (E) by approximately
massless (M) then the potential energy/ mass of every single
virtual- ideal particle ( according Einstein and Dirac) is
E/M=c^2 (potential energy/mass E/M=c^2 ! )
( I don’t know why physicists call E/M= c^2 ‘rest mass’
and never say potential energy/mass E/M=c^2 .)
In potential state my particle doesn’t move,
so its impulse is h = 0.
#
My conclusion.
I have virtual- ideal- massless particle which has
geometrical and physical parameters:
C/D= pi= 3.14 . . . . , R/ N(a) = k, E/M=c^2, h=0.
All my virtual- ideal- massless particles are possible to call
‘ bosons’ or ‘antiparticles’ . These bosons are approximately
massless but have huge potential energy/mass E/M=c^2 .
But I have no fermions, no electric charge, no tachyons,
no time, no mass, no movement at this picture.
#
Smolin wrote: ‘ – the missing element – must have been
one of the earliest triumphs of abstract thinking.’/page 102/
Where was ‘the earliest triumphs of abstract thinking.’?
In the hope to understand Smolin’s thought I will draw
historical scheme: Quantum Theory ---->
----> Thermodynamics ----> Theory of gases ----> Ideal Gas.
So, ‘the earliest triumphs of abstract thinking.’ was connected
with idea of an ‘Ideal Gas’. From Ideal Gas our trouble with
physics begins. I think the ‘Ideal Gas’ cannot be an abstract
hypothesis. In my opinion the ‘Ideal Gas’ must be a real model
of vacuum: T=0K . We can use all laws of ‘Ideal Gas’ for
explaining the situation in Vacuum: T=0K. The ‘ Ideal Gas’ as
abstract as ‘ Vacuum ‘ and vice versa.
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Now, thinking logically, I must explain all the effects of
motions. And. . . and I cannot say it better than Newton:
‘For the basic problem of philosophy seems to be to discover
the forces of nature from the phenomena of motions
and then to demonstrate the other phenomena from these forces.’
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How can one single virtual- ideal particle start its movement?
At first, it will be right to think about some simple kind of
movement, for example: my particle will move in straight line
along 2D surface from some point A to the point B.
What is possible to say now?
According to the Michelson-Morley experiment my particle
must move with constant speed: c=1 and its speed is independent.
Its speed doesn’t depend on any other object or subject, it means
the reason of its speed is hidden in itself, it is its inner impulse.
This impulse doesn’t come from any formulas or equations.
And when Planck introduced this inner impulse(h) to physicists,
he took it from heaven, from ceiling. Sorry. Sorry.
I must write: Planck introduced this inner impulse (h) intuitively.
I must write: Planck introduced his unit (h) phenomenologically.
At any way, having Planck’s inner impulse (unit h=1) my
particle flies with speed c=1. We call it photon now.
Photon’s movement from some point A to the point B
doesn’t change the flat and homogeneous 2D surface.
Of course, my photon must be careful, because in some local
place some sun’s gravitation can catch and change its trajectory
I hope it will be lucky to escape from the sun’s gravity love.
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My photon can have other possibility to move. This second
possibility was discover by Goudsmit and Uhlenbeck
in 1925. They said the elementary particle can rotate
around its diameter using its own angular inner impulse:
h * = h /2pi. So, when photon rotates around its diameter
it looks like a string ( open string) and this string vibrates.
My god, that is a strange technical terminology the physicists
use: ‘ vibrate, vibration’.
If I were a physicist I would say no ‘ vibrate, vibration’ but
‘ frequency’, ‘the particle rotates with high frequency’.
The frequency is a key to every particle, by frequency we know
the radiation spectrum of various kinds of waves.
Now I can say: then my photon starts to curl its rotation
goes with enormous frequency, faster than constant speed
of photon. Now its speed is c>1. We call it ‘tachyon’.
The tachyon’s spinning creates electric charge and
electrical waves and now we call it ‘electron’ or ‘fermions’.
So, in my opinion, virtual- ideal particle, photon, tachyon
and electron are only different names of one and the same
particle – quantum of light.
The frequency of every string particle can change.
( The various states of vibration . . . Page 103.)
The geometrical form of string can change.
( When they gained energy, they stretched; when they
gave up energy, they contracted - Page 103.)
Thanks to rotating movement the ‘massless’ of particles
increased and it became real observed particle.
Stop ! !!
I have missed here something important.
What have I missed?
#
( When they gained energy, they stretched; when they
gave up energy, they contracted - Page 103.)
What does it mean? What did Smolin want to say?
How can I understand this process ?
. . . . . . . . . . .
My particle is a circle. When this circle started to curl around
itself its form changed. Now it has volume and looks like a sphere.
What is the law between particle’s volume and energy?
I think: big volume – low energy, small volume – high energy.
The more speed / impulse ----> the more particle (as a volume)
compress ----> the more energy .
And when the speed decrease – - the energy decrease too –
but the volume of particle will increase.
My particle behaves like ‘ a springy circle’ (!)
This springy circle can curl into small sphere which must
have volume and therefore can be describe as a
‘stringlike particle with vibrations’ only approximately .
Springy particle - it means the particle is able to spring back
into its former position. In my opinion this is the meaning of
‘ The Law of mass/energy conservation and transformation’
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Once more.
Quantum of light has potential energy (- E=Mc^2 ).
When it starts to curl around its diameter the potential energy
(- E=Mc^2 ) is hidden and we can observe its electronic
energy ( E=h*f).
But there is situation when this hidden potential energy goes
out and we can see its great active power ( + E=Mc^2 )
looking the destroyed cities of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
In my opinion the particle’s transformation from one state into
the other was legalized as ‘ The Law of mass/energy
conservation and transformation’.
#
Different geometrical forms of string particle
( open - closed ), different frequencies of string particle are
reason of different radiation (from ultraviolet to infrared ),
are also reason of new situation in 2D.
Now the surface of my 2D in local area is changed.
On one hand it is electromagnetic field now,
on the other hand the spinning electron
changed the temperature of the surface in local area.
Now this local area has Debye temperature: Q(d)= h*f(max) / k.
Maybe in this space a grain of gravity theory is hidden.
Who knows?
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My conclusion.
It is no bad idea to ask question:
what are physical parameters of every new super D?
It is possible to understand many things using 2D.
The missing ‘big idea’ in ‘String theory’ is hidden in the
simple question: ‘ What was the form of particle before
it started to curl?’
The time appears as a period of electron’s action.
I ‘mix bosons with fermions’ (page 105) without using
any supersymmetries.
And I have:
a) In potential state the impulse of particle is h = 0. ( boson)
b) Having Planck’s inner impulse (unit h=1) my
particle moves straight with constant speed c=1. ( photon)
c) Having Goudsmit / Uhlenbeck inner angular impulse
h * = h /2pi. the particle rotates around its diameter.
( electron/ tachyon/ fermion).
Maybe the different conditions of (h) is the key to all
other phenomena.
Maybe this process can explain ‘the dualism of particle.’
Maybe this interpretation can explain where the energy comes from.
Maybe, if the space of my circle curls and changes then we need to
use Riemann geometry .
Maybe, if the speed of the particle is independent and self-contained
then we need to use nonlinear equations.
Maybe . . . . .
Maybe it is time to end now.
I reread my article. It is not bad, not bad for amateur,
who thinks about philosophy of physics for 28 years.
Of course, my interpretation is only scheme. And if
I were a physicist I would make from this scheme a theory:
‘ Elementary particle as a springy circle’.
But as a peasant I can only hope that maybe somebody
from Smolin’s ‘few . . . most talented and accomplished
physicists’ will do it. Who knows? Why do I doubt?
Because I read Smolin’s opinion: ‘ Not that every scientist
is a seeker, most are not.’ (!) Ce la vie !
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Now I must go to my farm, to my garden.
I want to plant some trees and flowers today.
=.
All the best.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus
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P.S.
History.
Einstein spent his life trying to construct a ‘unified field theory‘.
He tried to explain electromagnetism using geometry just as he
had done with gravity.
De Broglie and Heisenberg tried to unite different forces
using constants ( h) and ( h*).
The year 2010: particle as a springy circle + ( h) and ( h*) +
+ Riemann geometry + nonlinear equations . . . . ?!?!
P.S.
...the more a subject is understood,
the more briefly it may be explained.
/ Thomas Jefferson,
letter to Joseph Milligan, April 6, 1816 /
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You do not really understand something unless
you can explain it to your grandmother.
/ Albert Einstein /
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And Rutherford said, if you understand something
you can explain it to barmen woman.
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And somebody wrote : Of course , if I understand
something I can explain it to my son.
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If your god is dead, try mine. Quote
01-03-2011 , 12:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by israel.socratus
- Can a Rational Individual believe in God ?
In other words:

Has God known the formula: E=Mc^2 ?
If God has known the formula why HE / SHE /IT
didn't write it in His Bible?
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Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik. Socratus.
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Maybe he thought it'd be too easy writing the formula in the bible.

He found it more interesting to watch and see his creation figure it out for themselves.

Rather like a parent with a baby. Parents let babies go through developmental stages and discover things for themselves though occasionally they act as enablers by providing toys or clues to stimulate the reasoning and activities like the Baby Einstein line of toys.
If your god is dead, try mine. Quote
01-03-2011 , 05:06 PM
GOD IS DEAD?

I didnt even know he was sick !
If your god is dead, try mine. Quote
01-04-2011 , 01:15 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by israel.socratus
Togetherness.
John Polkinghorne, as a realist, want to know
‘ what the physical world is actually like’, but until now
physicists don’t have the whole picture of Universe.
Sure they do, they just don't know it.

When we look back at the singularity we think of it as having had existence in the past instead of considering that which is non-spatial/non-temporal is every-where/all-the-time. In other words: the singularity is still here and we're in it. There's no need for quantum jumps, tunnels or non-temporal dimensions when ultimate reality is a time-free, space-free singularity.
If your god is dead, try mine. Quote
01-04-2011 , 01:33 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Splendour
Maybe he thought it'd be too easy writing the formula in the bible.

He found it more interesting to watch and see his creation figure it out for themselves.

Rather like a parent with a baby. Parents let babies go through developmental stages and discover things for themselves though occasionally they act as enablers by providing toys or clues to stimulate the reasoning and activities like the Baby Einstein line of toys.
Has God known the formula: E=Mc^2 ?
If God has known the formula why HE / SHE /IT
didn't write it in His Bible?
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If I were God, I would give chance to Human
to understand who I am by analyzing the physical
formulas, equations and laws. Because I need the Laws
to create Everything. So, logically, catching the thread
of the physics Human can understand Me and My Work

Israel Sadovnik Socratus
If your god is dead, try mine. Quote
01-04-2011 , 01:40 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duffe
Sure they do, they just don't know it.

When we look back at the singularity we think of it as having had existence in the past instead of considering that which is non-spatial/non-temporal is every-where/all-the-time. In other words: the singularity is still here and we're in it. There's no need for quantum jumps, tunnels or non-temporal dimensions when ultimate reality is a time-free, space-free singularity.
When we look back at the singularity we think of . . .
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What was before singularity, big bang ?
Before singularity, big bang was God
Why?
Because the action, when the God compressed all Universe
into his palm, physicists had named - a Singular Point
And action, when the God opened his palm,
physicists had named - the Big Bang
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The Catholic Church adopted theory of
Big Bang as a good proof of God existing
And Pope Pius XII declared this in 1951
http://discovermagazine.com/2004/feb/cover/
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01-06-2011 , 02:29 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duffe
Sure they do, they just don't know it.

When we look back at the singularity we think of it as having had existence in the past instead of considering that which is non-spatial/non-temporal is every-where/all-the-time. In other words: the singularity is still here and we're in it. There's no need for quantum jumps, tunnels or non-temporal dimensions when ultimate reality is a time-free, space-free singularity.
Would you like to know what a 'singularity' is ?
I quote Hawking from page 53 in his book:
A brief history of time(1988)

' The answer to this came out of a completely different approach
introduced by a British mathematician and physicist, Roger Penrose
in 1965. Using the way light cones behave in general relativity
together with the fact that gravity is always attractive, he showed
that a star collapsing under its own gravity is trapped in a region
whose surface eventually shrinks to zero size. And, since the surface
of the region shrinks to zero, so too must its volume. All the matter
in the star will be compressed into a region of zero volume, so that
the density of matter and the curvature of space-time become infinite.
In other words, one has a singularity contained within a region
of space-time known as a black hole.'
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And Stephen W. Hawking said:
" Consideration of particle emission from black holes
would seem to suggest that God not only plays dice
but also sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen. “
/NATURE, 1975/
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If your god is dead, try mine. Quote
01-06-2011 , 04:11 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by israel.socratus
Would you like to know what a 'singularity' is ?
I quote Hawking from page 53 in his book:
A brief history of time(1988)

' The answer to this came out of a completely different approach
introduced by a British mathematician and physicist, Roger Penrose
in 1965. Using the way light cones behave in general relativity
together with the fact that gravity is always attractive, he showed
that a star collapsing under its own gravity is trapped in a region
whose surface eventually shrinks to zero size. And, since the surface
of the region shrinks to zero, so too must its volume. All the matter
in the star will be compressed into a region of zero volume, so that
the density of matter and the curvature of space-time become infinite.
In other words, one has a singularity contained within a region
of space-time known as a black hole.'
#
And Stephen W. Hawking said:
" Consideration of particle emission from black holes
would seem to suggest that God not only plays dice
but also sometimes throws them where they cannot be seen. “
/NATURE, 1975/
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Penrose is claiming the math and physics at the end of the universe are identical with the math and physics at the beginning of the universe. So, if Penrose is correct and adding a dash of superposition, then in a 'quantum logical' sense: it is infinitely probable that ultimate reality is a singularity.
If your god is dead, try mine. Quote
01-07-2011 , 04:16 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by duffe
Penrose is claiming the math and physics at the end
of the universe are identical with the math and physics
at the beginning of the universe.
So, if Penrose is correct and adding a dash of superposition,
then in a 'quantum logical' sense:
it is infinitely probable that ultimate reality is a singularity.
We have three conceptions:
Universe, the end of Universe, the beginning of Universe.
Maybe the end of Universe is a singularity.
Maybe the beginning of Universe is a singularity
But Universe itself isn’t a singularity.
Infinity isn’t point.
Point isn’t infinity.
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01-07-2011 , 04:17 AM
The God spoke in the darkness: “Let there be light !”
. . . . . . . .
And the God said in the darkness:
Let there be light: and there was light.
So, we must examine three conceptions: God, darkness and light.
1
In the darkness it means in the spacetime of dark mass/ energy.
The spacetime of dark mass/ energy it means in the Vacuum.
The Vacuum is the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous Space
of the lowest ( the background ) level of Energy: E= 0.
The Vacuum is the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous Space
of the lowest ( the background ) level of temperature: T= 0K.
2.
The God is hidden into the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous
Energy Space and we don’t know that to say about Him/ Her/ It.
But we know, that according to Quantum Physics a virtual
energetic particles can exist in this Infinite/ Eternal
Homogeneous Energy Space.
So, we can suppose that, maybe, from these virtual energetic
particles the God created light/ quantum of light.
3.
So, in the beginning God created the Light.
How did He do it?
The Bible explain us that the God created the light very easy.
God simply said: ‘Let there be light: and there was light.’
And for many years everybody adopted this convincing proof
without any doubt.
Only poor Einstein had doubts. He wrote sadly :
‘ All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?'
Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken. ‘
But Tom, Dick and Harry laughed.
‘What cannot the old Jew understand?’ they said bewilder.
‘ Isn’t clear that quantum of light is a simply wave-particle,
of course, simultaneously ?’
. . . . .
And now one part of mankind ( Religious part ) believes that
God created the light in very easy way.
And the other part of mankind ( Scientific part ) believes that
the light is the quantum of light which simply has his own
wave-particle abilities, of course, simultaneously.

These two great Mystical beliefs govern on the planet Earth
without understand each other. This is situation that we have now.
===============================.
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus

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If your god is dead, try mine. Quote
01-07-2011 , 01:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by israel.socratus
The God spoke in the darkness: “Let there be light !”
. . . . . . . .
And the God said in the darkness:
Let there be light: and there was light.
So, we must examine three conceptions: God, darkness and light.
1
In the darkness it means in the spacetime of dark mass/ energy.
The spacetime of dark mass/ energy it means in the Vacuum.
The Vacuum is the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous Space
of the lowest ( the background ) level of Energy: E= 0.
The Vacuum is the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous Space
of the lowest ( the background ) level of temperature: T= 0K.
2.
The God is hidden into the Infinite/ Eternal Homogeneous
Energy Space and we don’t know that to say about Him/ Her/ It.
But we know, that according to Quantum Physics a virtual
energetic particles can exist in this Infinite/ Eternal
Homogeneous Energy Space.
So, we can suppose that, maybe, from these virtual energetic
particles the God created light/ quantum of light.
3.
So, in the beginning God created the Light.
How did He do it?
The Bible explain us that the God created the light very easy.
God simply said: ‘Let there be light: and there was light.’
And for many years everybody adopted this convincing proof
without any doubt.
Only poor Einstein had doubts. He wrote sadly :
‘ All these fifty years of conscious brooding have brought me
no nearer to the answer to the question, 'What are light quanta?'
Nowadays every Tom, Dick and Harry thinks he knows it,
but he is mistaken. ‘
But Tom, Dick and Harry laughed.
‘What cannot the old Jew understand?’ they said bewilder.
‘ Isn’t clear that quantum of light is a simply wave-particle,
of course, simultaneously ?’
. . . . .
And now one part of mankind ( Religious part ) believes that
God created the light in very easy way.
And the other part of mankind ( Scientific part ) believes that
the light is the quantum of light which simply has his own
wave-particle abilities, of course, simultaneously.

These two great Mystical beliefs govern on the planet Earth
without understand each other. This is situation that we have now.
===============================.
Best wishes.
Israel Sadovnik Socratus

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Deep...Please post more.
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01-07-2011 , 03:00 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by israel.socratus
We have three conceptions:
Universe, the end of Universe, the beginning of Universe.
Maybe the end of Universe is a singularity.
Maybe the beginning of Universe is a singularity
But Universe itself isn’t a singularity.
Infinity isn’t point.
Point isn’t infinity.
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I'm thinking of the present, end and beginning of the universe as states of the universe not separate things. Consequently, I'm thinking of a singularity as a state of the universe, not a thing-in-itself separate and distinct from the universe.

You seem to be claiming the universe is not in a state of singularity; I'm asking what's the probability of that being so, (based on Penrose's claims). Seems to me the probability of the universe not being in a singularity at any time t would be infinitely small because the probability of the universe being in a singularity at any time t would be infinitely large.
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01-09-2011 , 02:44 AM
There are many meaning of the word ‘ Religion’.
What is Religion for me?
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Book ‘ The pushcart prize, III:
Best of the small presses.
From a journey through the land of Israel.
By Pinchas Saden. Pages 132-133 ‘

‘ To be religious, in my terms, means to understand that
life is a parable of which God is the meaning – that is,
to live life as a struggle to make contact with the divine.
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– in other words, by the drying up of the previously
renewable source of human contact with God.
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There can be no other significance to life beside worshiping Him.
The rest is simple a question of how one understands this worship –
- that is, of how one understands God.
Worshiping God, as the phrase suggests*, has nothing to do with
pleasure or cultural frills. It is work, hard work, like paving a road,
or farming land, or building a house.
In general, I don’t believe that the purpose of life in this world is
to snatch a little pleasure here or there. If it were, we might as
well have been born bedbugs. In whatever we live and do – in our
happiness, our suffering, our love, our hate, our passions,
our thoughts – we must live and do it not just for itself, but as
a parable, as a question, as a war. As work. As worship.
What is man? Man is question. God is answer.
If the answer were available here, in this life, the question
would be unnecessary. The painful tension between the two
gives life its energy.’
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/ * In Hebrew the word for ‘ Worship’ avoda,
is the same as the word for ‘ work’. Translator./
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01-11-2011 , 10:24 AM
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I'm thinking of the present, end and beginning of the universe as states of the universe not separate things. Consequently, I'm thinking of a singularity as a state of the universe, not a thing-in-itself separate and distinct from the universe.

You seem to be claiming the universe is not in a state of singularity; I'm asking what's the probability of that being so, (based on Penrose's claims). Seems to me the probability of the universe not being in a singularity at any time t would be infinitely small because the probability of the universe being in a singularity at any time t would be infinitely large.
As a practicing Jew: hashem is one. We say it every day many times it is part of our most notable prayer, the shema. The Universe is also hashem--there is none else. So your singularity view dovetails w religious Judaism.
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