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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
And I accepted that god is rewarding this demonstration of faith and commitment,
First error: I did not say that God is rewarding this demonstration.
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then I extended the idea of reward for demonstrations of faith and commitment to killing people as a demonstration of faith and commitment and that's when you decided that there was a disconnect, that it wasn't arbitrary to say that killing people for god isn't rewarded when dying for god is rewarded.
Second error: I did not say that it isn't rewarded. I do not believe that it is as an element of faith, but I do not know that it isn't.
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That clearly they are different.
This is correct. I did say that they are different. Presumably you accept that, but if you do not then this we could discuss.
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Then I asked how you know which demonstrations of faith and commitment are rewarded and which aren't and you said that you didn't know.
That is also correct. I do not know.
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So as things stand, I still think that you're arbitrarily deciding what is and isn't rewarded by god.
If you are asking, then I will say that I think it is far more likely that God would reward the personal sacrifice for your faith as opposed to the mass murder for your faith. You perceive that as arbitrary? OK, fine. If you cannot see a difference between those two actions, I truly doubt that I could change your mind.
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Clearly what I was saying that that I can't interpret it any other way than the way that I have, because there is no other way to interpret it IMO.
Unworthy of response.
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Your conclusion is this:
Choosing death over renouncing god is a demonstration of faith and commitment that will be rewarded by god.
No. My conclusion is that this does not seem unreasonable to me.
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It doesn't matter that you were trying to show why god isn't petty
Yes it does. If you display an argument that you claim rationally shows God to be petty, I am entitled to demonstrate its fallacy
under the assumption that God exists and makes such a demand. Doing that does not imply that I am stating either that God exists or that He makes such a demand. That is how arguments like this work. That is what we are doing here.
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you've still established a pretty clear principle of divine reward for certain demonstrations of faith and commitment. I'm now exploring the implications of that.
Nonsense. I have not done the former. I have no idea what you are doing.