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What if you're asking with an impure motive? Will God answer you then?
Try taking a shortcut. Ask as many people as you can if they ever received a spectacular blessing or a blessing that bordered on the miraculous. We have Brunson in SuperSystem telling us he got 3 of them in his own family. I know of several people that have received stupendous blessings.
Maybe we're blessed but we're not recoginizing the blessings. Sort of what Harrington says about luck. We're lucky, but we only note the bad beats.

He's not.

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10-25-2007 , 12:29 PM

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kurto

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You've already been told. Its called the Torah .

fixed it

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10-25-2007 , 12:37 PM

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I don't claim to know God's motivations for doing things the way he does, but figuring out reasonable explanations for why he doesn't communicate directly isn't hard at all even for a non-believer.

Correct, it's not difficult at all, and the simplest, most likely (by far) explanation is that no such personal god exists.

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10-25-2007 , 12:37 PM

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You've already been told. Its called the The Poetic Edda, The Kitab-i-Iqan, The Five Classics, Sruti, Brahma Sutras of B&#257;dar&#257;ya&#326;a , Quran, Hadith, Torah, Talmud, The Ginza Rba, Bood of Zodiac, the Holy Piby, The Kebra Negast, The Samartian Pentateuch, The Satanic Bible, Dianetics, The Guru Granth Sahib, The Kojiki, The Spirits Book... .

fixed it

I could go on. I'm sure all of these sacred texts all claim to tell the truth.... perhaps one of them is right.

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10-25-2007 , 01:30 PM

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We're lucky, but we only note the bad beats.

Someone tell those tens of thousands of people who drowned in the tsunami, to stop noticing only the bad beats.

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10-25-2007 , 01:44 PM

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Sorry but this is the same old tired argument everyone keeps using. When its your time its your time. God is promising a new life with him. I don't want to stay in this life forever. I'm biomechanical and my body parts will wear out, besides its not as peaceful down here.

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10-25-2007 , 01:53 PM

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Still nothing back by the way. It seems odd that all those gods are too busy to get in touch when they've got the chance of a 100% devoted believer for just 5 minutes of effort.

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10-25-2007 , 01:53 PM

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Sorry but this is the same old tired argument everyone keeps using. When its your time its your time.

Innocent infants being drowned to death is a "tired argument"? You should tell that to the parents of some of the victims.

Well I've read the whole thread and I think I've sorted it out now:

Tsunami/Starvation/other horrific ways to die/etc.: God's plan
Cancer patients who die: God's plan
Cancer patients who live: God's miracle
California wildfires: Satan?

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10-25-2007 , 01:55 PM

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Still nothing back by the way. It seems odd that all those gods are too busy to get in touch when they've got the chance of a 100% devoted believer for just 5 minutes of effort.

All of Southern California is a burning bush, you just have to open your ears.

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10-25-2007 , 02:07 PM

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Are you sure it's God? Why not the devil? Why isn't it a manmade disaster? Who decides to build in an area where there's an insignificant water supply?

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10-25-2007 , 02:22 PM

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I don't want to stay in this life forever. I'm biomechanical and my body parts will wear out

Must...restrain...urge... Can't do it.

If we all pray our hardest, maybe God will hasten the process.

Bad madnak!

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10-25-2007 , 02:52 PM

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Are you sure it's God? Why not the devil? Why isn't it a manmade disaster?

That's odd... it sounds like you have no idea what God does or what is done by the devil or what is manmade.

Almost as if there's no reason to give God credit for anything...

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10-25-2007 , 03:58 PM

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Are you sure it's God? Why not the devil? Why isn't it a manmade disaster? Who decides to build in an area where there's an insignificant water supply?

So when your grandmother gets miraculously cured of her cancer, are you sure its God? Why not Satan?

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10-25-2007 , 06:15 PM

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When its your time its your time.

The driver had no free will? The elevator repairman had no free will? Our actions must deliver the body on some predetermined time schedule?
So there would be no reward or punishment for our choices because we may be the only girl nearby with an ax when the neighbors time comes?

curiouser and curiouser this religion stuff, luckyme

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10-25-2007 , 06:56 PM

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Well I've read the whole thread and I think I've sorted it out now:

Tsunami/Starvation/other horrific ways to die/etc.: God's plan
Cancer patients who die: God's plan
Cancer patients who live: God's miracle
Someone willing to give his life in service to God, asking only for a direct command to get the ball rolling?: Clearly not part of God's plan.

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10-25-2007 , 07:00 PM

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bunny

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Still nothing back by the way. It seems odd that all those gods are too busy to get in touch when they've got the chance of a 100% devoted believer for just 5 minutes of effort.

I think the path you take to believing in god is important to god. If he just wanted lots of believers, he'd have them. He wants you to get there on your own or not at all imo.

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10-25-2007 , 07:01 PM

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Still nothing back by the way. It seems odd that all those gods are too busy to get in touch when they've got the chance of a 100% devoted believer for just 5 minutes of effort.

I think the path you take to believing in god is important to god. If he just wanted lots of believers, he'd have them. He wants you to get there on your own or not at all imo.

Sounds a little petty if you ask me.

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10-25-2007 , 11:01 PM

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How will you know it's god and not an impostor or your own schizophrenia?? (I'm assuming that if you knew it was him, you would commit rape and murder without a second thought... right?)

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10-26-2007 , 02:35 AM

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How will you know it's god and not an impostor or your own schizophrenia?? (I'm assuming that if you knew it was him, you would commit rape and murder without a second thought... right?)

Of course I would. You don't say no to god. He'll obviously have to prove it to my satisfaction. A few quick physics defying miracles should do the trick.

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10-26-2007 , 11:32 AM

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How will you know it's god and not an impostor or your own schizophrenia?? (I'm assuming that if you knew it was him, you would commit rape and murder without a second thought... right?)

This should be no obstacle for God.

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10-26-2007 , 11:48 AM

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Sounds a little petty if you ask me.

Read the bible - petty is god's middle name. I mean jeez, he drowned almost every living thing on the planet when he was pissed off. Good thing for that boat or none of us would be here today.

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10-26-2007 , 11:53 AM

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I think the path you take to believing in god is important to god. If he just wanted lots of believers, he'd have them. He wants you to get there on your own or not at all imo.

Or, the less reason there is to believe, the more points you get for believing anyway.

I've always found this aspect of religions strange. Why is blind faith considered "better" than faith based on actual evidence? Although, it's a pretty ingenious way for organized religions to get people to follow them without any rational reason. Makes you feel part of a special club, like you got the secret message only a select few people get.

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10-26-2007 , 02:20 PM

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I think the path you take to believing in god is important to god. If he just wanted lots of believers, he'd have them. He wants you to get there on your own or not at all imo.