i figured...

Life has no function. Genetic material that propagates itself just happens to be the genetic material that persists (for obvious reasons).

As to the story only working, what kind of speech is that? I beleive this is the way it is whether we like or not. All I know is we must have been absolutely ******ed to think we could beat God. Its hard to say what we deserve since we cant remember the battle and what we did. Obviously our judgment isn't too good.

Ive read the gnostics supposedly believed the old testament God was the Devil but I don't think they did, I'll admit I don't know too much about them however. IMO the catholic church is absolutely corrupt as the bible seems to indicate in the book of revelation and they persecuted the true christians and labeled them gnostics and heretics or whatev. I think the new testament is legit and the catholics hijacked the truth. They banned people from even reading the bible for hundreds of years. I also think Mohamed and the Koran are legit and has been perverted by the Muslim version of the Talmud in the Hadiths. I think God raised up the Muslims to stop the spread of the ultra corrupt catholic church.

In summary concerning legitimate texts. Old Testament, New Testament, and Koran are all legit IMO. The mecca crap and traditions are b.s. Also there is one more legitimate text referred to here in Revelation:

10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as He hath declared to His servants the Prophets.
10:8 And the voice which I heard from heaven spoke unto me again, and said, Go [and] take the little book which is open in the hand of the angel which standeth upon the "sea" and upon the "earth".
10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take [it], and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth as sweet as honey.
10:10 And I took the little book (white stone ch. 2:17) out of the angel's hand, and ate it up; and it was in my mouth sweet as honey: and as soon as I had eaten (digested) it, my belly was bitter.

also keep in mind this from book of John:
John 16:25 These things have I spoken unto you in proverbs: but the time cometh, when I shall no more speak unto you in proverbs, but I shall show you plainly of the Father.

and this book and this fulfillment can be read here:http://www.jahtruth.net/twh.pdf

"At the end of the 20th century, based upon insight gleaned from the gene-centered view of evolution, biologists George C. Williams, Richard Dawkins, David Haig, among others, conclude that if there is a primary function to life, it is the replication of DNA and the survival of one's genes.[26][27]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meaning_of_life

Correct me if I'm misunderstanding the quote...

I'm always amazed that the secular scientific types who are most inclined to believe Dawkins tend to be evolutionary failures. Every large family I've ever encountered has been very religious, for example. What is up with Dawkinsian atheists, they don't seem to be practicing what they preach! Why aren't they doing everything in their power to propagate their DNA? Birth control, abortion, feminism -- immoral! By not practicing polygamy, eugenics, genocide, etc., aren't they violating their own prime directive?

Either way it sure takes the 'Merry' right out of Christmas for me.

Huh? Ok you are clearly delusional... Bye...lol

What if a creator of the universe created evolution for the purpose of creating life that tries to survive.

I mean wouldn't you have to say there is no possibility of a creator God to say for certain evolution isn't purposeful?

Understanding that evolution occurs doesn’t require one to adopt evolutionary success as their ultimate goal.

seriously, it helps when you read the whole sentence. what part about "...and for all sentient beings" (you know, the rest of the sentence that follows directly the part you quoted) did you find confusing?

It's pretty simple.

There isn't.

I'm not certain of it, just confident enough that I don't feel the need to beat around the bush.

Alright fair enough i guess. Still think you should couch it a little and say you dont think evolution has a purpose,

but how do you know there isn't if even these listed scientists say that if there is one then... So they don't seem to be certain as you are that there is no purpose..

If there is a purpose to life I cant find it!
OPs suggestion is not a purpose in itself.

As far as I can see, we are simply an intelligent animal that is genetically programmed to survive and procreate, as are all living creatures on the planet today.
Obviously without these traits, every species would simply not be here.

Why should there be a pupose for our lives?
We would like there to be, but why would the survival of our species serve any real purpose?

So to summarize the position of scientific atheists like Dawkins: life is devoid of inherent purpose other than to survive and propagate itself. That’s it, end of story -- all claims of a higher purpose are simply delusional religious thinking.

This is why I think H.P. Lovecraft was such a genius and a modern prophet; he was the first to really express the horror inherent in this scientific materialist worldview. Allow me to quote myself from one of my blogs (http://othergods.blogspot.com/2010/0...-infinity.html ):
If you don’t find the Dawkinsian worldview horrific, I question whether you fully understand it. I’m not sure the human brain can even cope with such a worldview without being reduced to gibbering madness like a character in a Lovecraft story. My guess is that people will prefer comforting myths over such a harsh truth, which means that this period of scientific nihilism will probably be a passing phase before new myths take hold.

I'll take a last longer on mistergrinch's archetype over yours... lol

It seems that yours can't, millions of other people get on just find without a need for cosmic significance.

It seems like you're conflating causal power with purpose/function. If something has the causal power to do X, it doesn't follow that its purpose or function is to do X.

Can you finish these and explain why your answer is correct?

The purpose of a screwdriver is to....
The purpose of clouds is to...

Wow this is deep, post more.

This may surprise you but not all of my posts are an attempt to change your life.

Does this mean you believe Dawkins' view is right, but you would prefer it isn't?

Huh?

Yes, I believe there is a strong possibility that Dawkins is right, and I would prefer that he weren't. Because if he is, and there is no higher power guiding us or looking after us, let's just say that I'm not very optimistic about the human enterprise.

Edward Teller said '"I do not want a hydrogen bomb because it would kill more people. I wanted a hydrogen bomb because it was new. Because it was something we did not know and could know. I am afraid of ignorance." This quote should tell you everything you need to know about the dangers of the Enlightenment project. To me it provides the obvious explanation for the Fermi paradox -- there's no intelligent life out there because it all destroyed itself!

To quote the prophet Lovecraft: