Do you believe god has a plan for us all?

Do you think everything happens for a reason? "Reason" being the will of god.

Do you ever pray for a particular outcome/result of an event?

Such as people being trapped in an earthquake, or a sick loved one. As in asking god that they survive make it though etc.

Not praying for help and guidance with dealing with the tragedy. I mean actually asking/praying for a specific result.

If you answer yes to 1 and 2 I don't think it is logical to also answer
yes to 3. Unless you think god will change his plan/will if you pray to him.

Praying in this context, asking for a result, shows you are questioning the will of god and that you would rather him change his plan/will to suit you.


I do not want to know what the bible says, I am not looking for guidance, I want to know your personal feeling on this type of praying, depending on your believe about what gods plan/will is.

By plan do you mean He has our future all layed out for us where we have no control over it? If so, then no, He does not have that kind of plan.

You have to understand how God works, he works by freewill and believing.

Yes, everything happens for a reason. But that reason is not always the will of the true God. Many, many times its the will of the god of this world, satan.

You have to pray within the bounds of Gods word. You have to know what is and what is not available to pray for. The only way to know this is to know Gods word, which is His will.

Yes, its possible to pray and get a miracle and influence situations in life for the better.

If you are a believer, a Christian you have power beyond what you understand, power that is operated by believing, and this power can supercede the physical laws in life.

This is your problem, you do not understand the nature of God nor how things work.

You are assuming that bad things come from the true God, but you fail to realize and acknowlege that their are 2 Gods, 2 opposing forces/powers at war with each other. You are in the middle, both are vying for you heart, your mind, your believing.

If you really want to know, be specific about your question? What are you looking to understand? You can PM me if it is personal.

All the best,

"Such as people being trapped in an earthquake, or a sick loved one. As in asking god that they survive make it though etc."

Yes, its possible to pray and get a miracle and influence situations in life for the better.


Hang on I thought you answered NO! In the other thread?

I did, but you also said God's Plan...........

Its not Gods plan or will for people to die in an earthquake, or become sick. It is however the god of this worlds plan and will that that happens to people. Satan is the author of death. God is the author of life.

OK so here's the rub, this is what gets me from the believers I know.

They say things like, "oh its all part of gods plan." "God works in mysterious ways"

I have never heard a believer mention the devil when someone dies or the miners don't make it out.

Its always, "ohh god you have them now, you took them for a reason" Etc

What you are missing is God's plan can take into account future actions - He can plan x based on His knowledge of whether or not you will pray.

In general, if you look up the doctrine of middle knowledge you will find a more complete explanation of this idea.

So he knows if you will pray sometime in the future depending on what plan in sets in motion?

Those statements are made from people who do not know the word of God. Have them show you in the bible where its Gods plan for people to die. The statement he works in mysterious ways, is just a statement. He works according to the principles laid out in his word. Which can be known.

Now, that does not mean you know exactly what he is going to do. But you do know what he will and will not do. He has boundries that he has set for himself. Principles that he will not override or break.

In the old testament things were different than now, because now is a different administration of time. The old testament rules were the law, the law is no longer in effect. We live in the time of Grace, not the time of the law.

People say some pretty stupid things sometimes, like when a person dies they say "he is gone back to heaven or is in a better place" etc.. They say these things because that is what they have been taught and this just keeps on snowballing down the hill until someone stands up and says, where does it say that about God in the bible or where does it say what you just said in the bible.

People who say those things are trying to be loving in the only way they know how, but sincerity is no guarantee for truth....

God has foreknowledge. He knows the whole future, every minute detail before it ever happens. Yet he does not control the future. He just knows what people will do and when.

Once God determined the method that would determine eternal life and peoples future, (which is the law of believing) he saw all of the future of all people, every detail. So he knows when someone will pray and believe that he will help them.

Not every person who prays gets an answer because there are things involved behind the scenes in peoples life that we do not know, only God knows. There are people who will not be born-again, and there are people who will be. Those who will be, God protects. Even if they will not believe and become born-agian until they are old.

This is a detailed discussion that I really cannot do justice in such a small space. This type of converstaion is more of a one on one type of things where quick retort can be had, not typing and waiting. This type of discussion is much better live. Its easier to explain that way, because I do not have to stop and wait for you reply and I can also talk faster than I can type.

You cant leave the devil out of the equation when talking about this because he is the one constantly wreaking havoc on mankind. Causing all the hurt and pain directly or indirectly through situations, circumstances and people.

So i was right before when i said most people use those sayings and wrong beliefs as coping mechanisms for grief.

Phew TFFT

Correct.......... They think that it makes people feel better, and maybe it does, but I would rather know the truth than some pie in the sky, hoky poky platitude of nonsense, that's not biblically based.

Just thinking from lurking this forum Pletho is one interesting mind, how does such a level of delusion from the truth occur? Megalomaniac. Self perceived knower of God, self creator of God, unable to to understand life, unable to understand himself/others and unable to accept death,

Or, there is another option.....

I'm right and what I say is the truth.

I know that option has never crossed your mind nor been considered

If someone does know the truth about life, know God and understands life, would that make them delusional or a megalomaniac?

I didn't think so, but you have not considered the possibility that I could be right and your wrong.

At least Pletho answers questions and explains his position.

And explain them well. Good job Pletho...have no disagreement with anything you had to say.

Wrong, what you preach is nothing new, nothing I haven't considered and wondered about many times. But you take it one level further than most people, you claim to know god, his thoughts, his capabilities, 'God knows the future, he knows what people will do' lol? I bet you have had conservations with GOd in your mind, all God is is something you have created in your mind, all your knowledge comes from an author(s) of a book. Your life is limited, your time is limited, and you spend it living in fear of death, you are controlled by someone elses words, your imagination, your desire, your ego manipulates you. You claim to know God, Satan You are a megalomaniac, it is obvious. Who you are is a bi product of luck, you could have been me, you could have been born long before jesus, you could have been a buddist monk, a muslim, a red indian, and the external world would have shaped you differently, A catholic, a hermit, an Egyptian pharoah, a slave, a viking warrior, a woman, a nazi, a north korean, you would have had different beliefs, because we are all shaped by the universe, we are the universe, and we will all die, and still be the universe but with a dispersed conciousness, there is no prrof of heaven or hell, there is no need for it, there is no need for God to have human characteristics, through all of time our imaginations have personified the universe to explain it. Seriously, live your life, and realise most of what you believe about the meaning of life and death are lies based upon fear. The Bible is pretty much proven as a fictional story, whya re the walls so strong? Why can't you break them?

When Jesus answers our prayers is he doing it as God. Or is he just the son of God.

I cannot answer for Pletho, but I can answer for one who is like him.

He did not claim to know God's thoughts, nor do I. But I do claim to know God, I have spent many years building a relationship with God. I also would claim to know God's "capabilities" as they are infinite, just as God Himself is.

You claim that all God is is something I have created in my mind (you were actually speaking to Pletho, but I change the context to myself). How much greater is my mind that I have created that which billions of others before me and with me have created the exact same thing? Oh that my mind is so strong to have changed history to conform to my thoughts. And what if. What if I did not create God in my mind, but that He simply is?

You claim that we would fear death. Nothing could be further from the truth. I have no fear of death. I know that what lies beyond for me is great. Do I want to continue to live. You bet, but there is no fear of death in me.

Or I could have been me, here, now, at this moment, for this purpose. Created by God for just the purpose of responding to this post.

First time I come into RGT and I see Pooter. WTF I don't even

But i thought Pooter was god ?

all you know is what is created in your mind. The God you imagine is completely unique. It is a separate relationship. And he does claim to know gods thoughts/desires/actions/intents

Everything simply is, why add to it? Why create a creator?

There is no such thing as death in your mind, you are blind to the concept, it is ego which causes this. You are scared of death, religion/afterlife is a form of rejection of death. If there is one thing that upsets me its how many people there are in the world that don't live their lives, because they think they will live forever and this life is short and boring compared to the afterlife.


Always goes back to you, ego, can't you realise that you could be someone else with completely different beliefs? Why are you right and every other person that ever lived is wrong? You and Pletho both imagine a unique different God, you have different thoughts, a different creation derived from the same idea. A different relationship, I can pretend mny concept of God is real, I can talk/pray to this imagination sometimes I do, I don't know why the human mind personifies what is, I can imagine an afterlife and pretend that I am going there, but, the truth is, life is finite, we are as old as time, we are the universe, the universe is omnipresent, omnipotent, not god, god is a fictional personification created by the beholder. When we dies we die, we could die tomoro, so live your life and thank the chance instead of waiting to die because its so amazing getting to meet God and live in the kingdom of heaven. Dust in the wind. Leaves on a tree, the sun made us live, the light goes and we thats that we fall off teh tree and return to the soil, that is what we are, not some creation, not some props that some being creates and plays with, 'creates with the knowledge of everything that will happen' may I add, God makes life pointless, that is a shame.

Who is God? Who is Satan? What is good? What is evil? Who defines such terms?

religion makes me sick. i dunno where to start

Me too, as I define the word religion. Based on my definition of religion, which is biblically based, I will start with atheism. Its a man made religion, with no real physical leader, but believe me behind the scenes their is leadership, in the spiritual realm. Those involved with this religion have no clue that they have been brain washed and blinded by the god of this world to attack the christians and the true God.

The God of this world blinds me to the God of the next and the God of the next one punishes me for that blindness. That sounds fair.