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I get this feeling I can't be Christian and play poker at the same time I get this feeling I can't be Christian and play poker at the same time

03-18-2024 , 12:03 AM
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Originally Posted by walkby
They were not like walking down a path and having a feeling, they were experiences similar to what Paul experienced on the road to Damascus.
I shouldn't be dismissive about something like this, this could be an impactful thing to experience.
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03-21-2024 , 11:23 PM
I'm a human being with a lot of heart and sensitivity. Perhaps it doesn't seem so when I drill down on dishonest apologetics and their desperate hominem purveyors, but it isn't the person I am attacking there, just the strategy. So I stand down on certain things. Will only point up, crucially, that there are a thousand different types of spiritual paths, and the one repped by the Bible isn't the only legit one because some magic believers in a very superstitious culture thousands of years ago made up stories that it was. Get that or be a 1st Century type. No, it is simply one of the religions, no more or less legit than many of the others.

When one chooses that path, or some other, it activates the archetypes repped in that doctrine. That is all. They aren't literal beings. So the chosen path becomes legit in that it is one of the many paths. When we hear things like the "one true path," we are hearing religion designing and market share pursuit.

The next level of this is tailoring the doctrine of our spirituality to the nature of human consciousness, rather than on magical belief about nature and superstitions. But all of the characters of the religions and paths attempt to symbolize reality as understood at that point.

The voices we hear in our heads are ourselves, not god. God does not visit our little concerns while he lets millions of others starve to death. This type of orientation is outrageous egocentrism, as surely as the creation of myriads of gods out of ideas is personification. It has some value in understanding, but is to be superseded if one wishes to get out of the 1st Century with their belief system/orientation.
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03-22-2024 , 03:01 AM
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Originally Posted by FellaGaga-52
I'm a human being with a lot of heart and sensitivity. Perhaps it doesn't seem so when I drill down on dishonest apologetics and their desperate hominem purveyors, but it isn't the person I am attacking there, just the strategy. So I stand down on certain things. Will only point up, crucially, that there are a thousand different types of spiritual paths, and the one repped by the Bible isn't the only legit one because some magic believers in a very superstitious culture thousands of years ago made up stories that it was. Get that or be a 1st Century type. No, it is simply one of the religions, no more or less legit than many of the others.

When one chooses that path, or some other, it activates the archetypes repped in that doctrine. That is all. They aren't literal beings. So the chosen path becomes legit in that it is one of the many paths. When we hear things like the "one true path," we are hearing religion designing and market share pursuit.

The next level of this is tailoring the doctrine of our spirituality to the nature of human consciousness, rather than on magical belief about nature and superstitions. But all of the characters of the religions and paths attempt to symbolize reality as understood at that point.

The voices we hear in our heads are ourselves, not god. God does not visit our little concerns while he lets millions of others starve to death. This type of orientation is outrageous egocentrism, as surely as the creation of myriads of gods out of ideas is personification. It has some value in understanding, but is to be superseded if one wishes to get out of the 1st Century with their belief system/orientation.
I see what you're saying, but my experiences lead me to believe "Christianity" is true. Why can't God do one thing for one person and something else for someone else, or possibly nothing? I'm not saying this is the basis for why God does something, but if someone is truly destitute in some fashion why can't God help that person somehow, while another person he does not do that? Overall it's a mystery though, I suppose.
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04-08-2024 , 06:26 PM
Anyways, back to the point of this thread...

It can be argued that there is a kind of moral relativism built-into the Christian mechanic. So while something may be wrong for you, it isn't wrong for another. While something is required of you, it is not required of another. Think eating food sacrificed to idols, what day and how you worship, circumcision etc. These are not 1:1 with playing poker but they are demonstrations of what is essentially an anti-static morality i.e. faith working through love.

John the Baptist, when approached by tax collectors, didn't tell them to quit tax collecting. Neither did he, or Jesus, tell centurions to quit being guards/enforcement of a colonizing power. Rather, they were given commands to reduce the degree of corruption.

I think it is best to be clear about what is explicitly prohibited in the scriptures and be open-handed about what isn't. Taking away from the scriptures is one sin as is adding to the scriptures. We should be careful to prohibit what God has not prohibited. We should be careful to sanction what God hasn't sanctioned. Things like gambling, drinking etc may have a certain shade to them but we should be careful about calling them black. I would prescribe prayer, a love of the scriptures, and the involvement of the church community. These will help attune any person to the Holy Spirit. I would also concern yourself less about your outcomes/results and more about your process. And I don't mean your execution of poker hands but of your spiritual life. It may be that you ought to quit playing cards. I would guess that many believers should never step into a card room or casino. But I would never say all. And if you feel compelled to, then quit. You will lose nothing eternal by giving up something like playing a strategic gambling game. Moreover, God is a keeper of his promises, seek first his kingdom and his righteousness and your needs will be met. I think too often, believers spend their years pursuing one thing when they were invented to pursue another.
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