What about your dignity?

I would rather scam eternal bliss out of god than suffer eternal hell for my dignity. It was not me who said they would rather spend forever in torment to keep his dignity in tact.

The point is, you seem to think you would love/worship/repsct god etc.. if he did this.

I would not, I would hate him for it and again I state, I would not think he worthy of my **** but would i smile on the outside an hate from within to get into (what i believe heaven to be). YES.

Can I ask stu would your postion be something like this;

While the cause and reason for all the deaths is a unknown to us, I take it you would feel sad at the massive human loss?

but would then think its OK if we found out God did do it for whatever reason because you are sure god is good, therefore it must be OK for them to have died?

Is that roughly where you are on it? Please correct me if i am wrong.

This.

VeeDDzz`, you're being ridiculous. You have no idea why God killed the Muslims. Once is it proven to you that the Christian God exists, don't you think pretty much anything is possible? What if all those Muslims are behind the door to heaven and partying it up, that they died painlessly with virtually no mourning friends/family (because most of them are also in heaven), and were killed to avoid a massive war that was about to end humanity?

To scam is to defraud or swindle. It seems to me your position is that it is okay for you to behave in an immoral manner as long as that behavior is directed toward someone you hate. Right?

If I was sure it was God who dunnit then intellectually I would not have a problem with it. I might have an emotional problem with it though. I don't see too much difference in this hypothetical and the real world situation where a loved one is tradgically taken away from you.

Really???

OK scam was to strong a word.

This is the situation; God says to me "hey pooter I just killed everyone muslim on earth, if you got a problem with that you're going to hell! Got a problem with what i did pooter?"

Pooter: "Er no God thats fine"

But really thinking....."You evil **** toss bag I wish you could suffer in hell yourself!" As i shiver in terror scared to tell him what i really think, bit like facing an evil dictator imo.


EDIT: My definition of hell is eternal actual pain and torture, ie burning in real fire and not dying etc. If 'hell' is 'without god' then i would opt for without god over having/living with god.

To note;

If by immoral manner you mean telling a GOD (who i detest +trillion) A lie so as i dont burn in hell forever then yes you are 'Right'

Which isn't far from your position. You say it would be a tragedy if that happened but if god said he did it you would instantly change to oh it's ok then. Why? because you want to be on his side. Simple.

Not that at all. If God exist then one of the three is true:

1. God hates us
2. God loves us
3. God neither hates nor loves us. He simply doesn't care.

If we wake up one day and the muslims are all dead and God is standing there taking credit then I think I can toss out 3. Why would a God that is indifferent take such an action? It doesn't make sense. An indifferent God would leave us alone and show no interest. That leaves just 1 and 2.

Now I think I can toss out 1 too because I am quite happy with my life and I think most people are quite happen with their lives and most people who ever lived have been happy with their lives. Sure there are some miserable people and there always will be miserable people but on the whole....most people are generally happy. I would think if 1 were true then on the whole people would be generally miserable.

Now if I accept 2 as being true then it follows that God killing off all the muslims was probably for a greater good. Because if 1 were true I think God would have been doing things to make our lives miserable and most of us would be miserable.

You can keep 3 there I have killed things i dont care about, ants and insects for example, why?? just becasue i could, i really didn't care either way about them I just killed them.

Well I can keep 1 too as I think there is and has been more suffering on earth than happiness and joy ( just because your happy it leads you to think this first world bible belt mentality at it's best).

Maybe he does love me but i would have to say "come on god, you know everything about everything surely you can show your love or get to the greater good in a better way than this?"

But really we have just re-established you are fine with genocide as long as god does it and its not you or your family or loved ones who are killed.

Koool.

What if God comes back and says, "This is the best way...you just have to trust Me". Are you going to trust Him?

Why are are we trusting him? Because he has candy?

Nope. I would not trust him at all.

I dont even think there is a plank% chance that any of the man made gods exists if however i found the christian god or any other god to be true, I would not trust him one little bit!

Why? What do you think he would try to take from you?

I dont think he is trying to take anything from me.

Are you now saying you know what god wants from us? You know do you Stu the mind of god?

Oooo these silly things are fun !
Sad? Hmmm... not any more sad than when I see the news and someone that I don't know dies.

More positive that your religion is correct? That's assuming that I believe God killed these people for being Muslim.

Would I think God did it? Pretty sure even an atheist would think that.... assuming that ALL of these Muslims had but 1 thing in common.. that being a Muslim. Fromm ALL OVER THE EARTH.... EVERY MUSLIM dies... yea... good luck to the atheist trying to explain that without some sort of divine intervention.

Happy about it? Only in that my neighbor would be gone...hence his non-stop barking dog would be gone as well.

Can I steal your thread and add something to it?
Thanks !

up to you my son.

I like your answers refreshingly honest.

And as i said even as a very staunch atheists myself I would certainly start thinking about a god existing whether or not i subscribe to it being the christian god i dont know. Perhaps it is allah collecting all of his people and taking them to heaven and we will all die and thats it. Possible.

Why wouldn't you trust Him then? If you admit that God wouldn't be trying to take anything away from you what then is the motivation for distrust? Is all of it grounded in hate?

It does seem that atheist seem to have more of an issue with the Christian God rather than a god in general. I didn't think about the angle of Allah calling his people home.... interesting.

while I agree with most of what you say in this thread, are you sure gods possible emotional range is universal love, universal hate or universal indifference?


Couldn't he like some of us but not others? That's what this hypothetical would suggest to me.

Yes he could. I overlooked that.

Don't overlook that he claims to be jealous either.

I would not trust the god of the bible (or any man made god) if they turned out to be real. If he really has all the powers attributed to him and chooses to go about his business in that way. He deserves none of my respect, love or worship. You may be correct and its not that i dont trust him it is because I would hate such a being.

If you created some life forms and demanded they love you worship you etc just becasue you created them you have serious EGO problems my friend.

Thanks for the honest answer.

All be it totally sick and twisted but W/E