Wrt Christianty and Islam. M discussed Jesus as the Messiah, this promotes my view of how Muslims are taught to peacefully live with Christians. Along with the Achtiname of Muhammad which provided respect and protections toward Christians.


The following Bible quote is of significant relevance to the Quran and many Muslims

Isaiah 29:12" and the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee; and he saith, I am not learned.

What book ? Who was this book to be delivered to? Some say it was the Quran and Prophet M was the man that was being discussed wrt "him" in the above passage. Also the "I am not learned" is significant b/c M was illiterate. Gabriel was said to have recited this book to M.

Sure, why not?

Why is it that you seem to think this is possible with all aspects of parenting except religion?

What's odd is that you didn't need to go overboard and use the word 'bully' in order to make your point. But you did because you want to make religion sound worse that it actually is, and you're holding strong to it for some reason. But it's still wrong.

I dont buy it but ok i guess. At least you tired.

Because a major part of their religion was human sacrifice and that is inferior to not having human sacrifice. I mean if you really dont think Judaism is superior to the Aztec religion i dont know what to say other then i wish i had a transporter/time machine..

What is the basis for what you are saying? Citation?
I am having a hard time keeping track of all the incorrect assertions you are making itt.

Isaiah 29 is about Jerusalem, have a look at the whole chapter and use just a little bit of critical thinking.

EDIT: Kid, In regards to your approach in general are you aware of the term confirmation bias?

Lemon are you also aware of yours?

Like you've mentioned some stuff associated with Islam that's hundreds of years out of date without considering what applying the same standard to Christianity would include.

In any case this guy actually seems to accept the challenges that Islam faces.

http://www.newstatesman.com/2013/11/...child-marriage

The rest of his stuff, especially the commentaries on Muslim anti-semitism are also worth a read.

Bullying necessarily includes an element of intimidation. I simply don't think that this occurs often enough in a religious context for it to be the direction that you should come at this from. Religion doesn't generally pass from one generation to the next by a process of bullying.

What about when religious 'instruction' is done in nice, persuasive, enjoyable way (for the child), perhaps in a way where it's not even noticed by the child that there's an agenda of creating belief in a particular religion, is that ok?

I am aware, see my criticism of certain policies of Saudi Arabia.

As for Isaiah 29, I was attempting to engage folks from a possible Muslim perspective.

Although not mentioned by name in the Quran, Isaiah is well known in the world of Islamic scholars where it is believed he(Isaiah) foretold the coming of both Jesus and M.

Also for similarities between Islam and Judaism -"Muslim exegesis(interpretation of text) preserves a tradition, which parallels that of the Hebrew Bible, which states that Hezekiah was the king that ruled over Jerusalem during Isaiah's time."

see Isaiah 38 and stories of the Prophet, Isaiah bin Amoz by Idn Kashir

"While some of the figures contained in the book are not regarded as prophets by all Muslims, this literary piece is still considered an important document in Islamic history. From all such compilations of the lives of prophets, this one is one of the most renowned"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stories...8Ibn_Kathir%29

The truth is -- none of this is funny, imo. I can empathize with all of the Christians who have to live in these Islamic countries. It must suck so bad to be treated as a second class citizen, pay extra taxes, worry about the safety of loved ones due to extremist influences, not have freedoms to believe differently from the majority without threat of death. These are real people who have to live this way, and they are living this way right now as we speak. It is all very sad to see a naive apologist here. It almost rends my heart to see it. You saw the numbers I previously posted. Almost 10% of muslims worldwide believe that suicide attacks can be justified (and that survey left out the more extreme countries, so the number may be much higher). Islam does not bring out the best in people. And this isn't just another RGT-style philosophical debate which matters nothing. These are real people sitting in jail right this very second for their religious beliefs. There are real people living in fear right now.

Shame on you, thekid345.

Thekid take up any problems you have with this with pewglobal, gallup, icm research, etc.


ICM Poll: 20% of British Muslims sympathize with 7/7 bombers
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

NOP Research: 1 in 4 British Muslims say 7/7 bombings were justified
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

People-Press: 31% of Turks support suicide attacks against Westerners in Iraq.
http://people-press.org/report/206/a...after-iraq-war

YNet: One third of Palestinians (32%) supported the slaughter of a Jewish family, including the children:
http://pajamasmedia.com/tatler/2011/...t-infanticide/
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...053251,00.html

World Public Opinion: 61% of Egyptians approve of attacks on Americans
32% of Indonesians approve of attacks on Americans
41% of Pakistanis approve of attacks on Americans
38% of Moroccans approve of attacks on Americans
83% of Palestinians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (only 14% oppose)
62% of Jordanians approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (21% oppose)
42% of Turks approve of some or most groups that attack Americans (45% oppose)
A minority of Muslims disagreed entirely with terror attacks on Americans:
(Egypt 34%; Indonesia 45%; Pakistan 33%)
About half of those opposed to attacking Americans were sympathetic with al-Qaeda’s attitude toward the U.S.
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 55% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hezbollah
30% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hezbollah
45% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hezbollah (26% negative)
43% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hezbollah (30% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 60% of Jordanians have a positive view of Hamas (34% negative).
49% of Egyptians have a positive view of Hamas (48% negative)
49% of Nigerian Muslims have a positive view of Hamas (25% negative)
39% of Indonesians have a positive view of Hamas (33% negative)
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 15% of Indonesians believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
34% of Nigerian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified.
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

16% of young Muslims in Belgium state terrorism is "acceptable".
http://www.hln.be/hln/nl/1275/Islam/...aardbaar.dhtml

Populus Poll (2006): 12% of young Muslims in Britain (and 12% overall) believe that suicide attacks against civilians in Britain can be justified. 1 in 4 support suicide attacks against British troops.
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Pew Research (2007): 26% of younger Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are justified.
35% of young Muslims in Britain believe suicide bombings are justified (24% overall).
42% of young Muslims in France believe suicide bombings are justified (35% overall).
22% of young Muslims in Germany believe suicide bombings are justified.(13% overall).
29% of young Muslims in Spain believe suicide bombings are justified.(25% overall).
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 8% of Muslims in America believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (81% never).
28% of Egyptian Muslims believe suicide bombings are often or sometimes justified (38% never).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...for-extremism/

Pew Research (2007): Muslim-Americans who identify more strongly with their religion are three times more likely to feel that suicide bombings are justified
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

ICM: 5% of Muslims in Britain tell pollsters they would not report a planned Islamic terror attack to authorities.
27% do not support the deportation of Islamic extremists preaching violence and hate.
http://www.scotsman.com/?id=1956912005
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...-islamist.html

Federation of Student Islamic Societies: About 1 in 5 Muslim students in Britain (18%) would not report a fellow Muslim planning a terror attack.
http://www.fosis.org.uk/sac/FullReport.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

ICM Poll: 25% of British Muslims disagree that a Muslim has an obligation to report terrorists to police.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Populus Poll (2006): 16% of British Muslims believe suicide attacks against Israelis are justified.
37% believe Jews in Britain are a "legitimate target".
http://www.populuslimited.com/pdf/2006_02_07_times.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Pew Research (2013): At least 1 in 4 Muslims do not reject violence against civilians (study did not distinguish between those who believe it is partially justified and never justified).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 15% of Muslims in Turkey support suicide bombings (also 11% in Kosovo, 26% in Malaysia and 26% in Bangladesh).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

See also: http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Muslim_Statistics_(Terrorism) for further statistics on Islamic terror.

al-Qaeda and Osama bin Laden

Pew Research (2007): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (27% can’t make up their minds). Only 58% reject al-Qaeda outright.
http://pewresearch.org/assets/pdf/mu...ns.pdf#page=60

Pew Research (2011): 5% of American Muslims have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (14% can’t make up their minds).
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...for-extremism/

Pew Research (2011): 1 in 10 native-born Muslim-Americans have a favorable view of al-Qaeda.
http://people-press.org/2011/08/30/m...for-extremism/

al-Jazeera (2006): 49.9% of Muslims polled support Osama bin Laden
http://terrorism.about.com/b/2006/09...-bin-laden.htm

Pew Research: 59% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
41% of Indonesians support Osama bin Laden in 2007
56% of Jordanians support Osama bin Laden in 2003
http://www.forbes.com/2010/02/15/ira...an-berman.html

Pew Global: 51% of Palestinians support Osama bin Laden
54% of Muslim Nigerians Support Osama bin Laden
http://frontpagemag.com/2010/02/10/blinded-by-hate/
http://pewglobal.org/files/pdf/268.pdf

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 35% of Canadian Muslims would not repudiate al-Qaeda
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01...riah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-...ion-in-canada/

World Public Opinion: Muslim majorities agree with the al-Qaeda goal of Islamic law.
Muslim majorities agree with al-Qaeda goal of keeping Western values out of Islamic countries;
(Egypt: 88%; Indonesia 76%; Pakistan 60%; Morocco 64%)
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

ICM Poll: 13% of Muslim in Britain support al-Qaeda attacks on America.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...march-2004.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

World Public Opinion: Attitude toward Osama bin Laden:
Egypt: 44% positive, 17% negative, and 25% mixed feelings
Indonesia: 14% positive, 26% negative, 21% mixed feelings (39% did not answer)
Pakistan: 25% positive, 15% negative, 26% mixed feelings (34% did not answer)
Morocco: 27% positive, 21% negative, 26% mixed feelings
Jordanians, Palestinians, Turks and Azerbaijanis. Jordanians combined for: 27% positive, 20 percent negative, and 27 percent mixed feelings. (Palestinians 56% positive, 20% negative, 22 percent mixed feelings).
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 49% of Nigerian Muslims have favorable view of al-Qaeda (34% unfavorable)
23% of Indonesians have favorable view of al-Qaeda (56% unfavorable)
34% of Jordanians have favorable view of al-Qaeda
25% of Indonesians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden (59% had confidence in 2003)
1 in 5 Egyptians have "confidence" in Osama bin Laden
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2011): 22% of Indonesians have a favorable view of al-Qaeda (21% unfavorable)
http://www.people-press.org/2011/08/...for-extremism/

Gallup: 51% of Pakistanis grieve Osama bin Laden (only 11% happy over death)
44% of Pakistanis viewed Osama bin Laden as a martyr (only 28% as an oulaw)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/...tani_alli.html

Zogby International 2011: “Majorities in all six countries said they viewed the United States less favorably following the killing of the Al-Qaeda head [Osama bin Laden] in Pakistan”
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...158a926c28.c11
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...HVBI_blog.html

Populus Survey: 18% of British Muslims would be proud or indifferent if a family member joined al-Qaeda.
http://www.populuslimited.com/poll_s..._Times_ITV.htm
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Policy Exchange (2006): 7% Muslims in Britain admire al-Qaeda and other terrorist groups.
http://www.policyexchange.org.uk/ima...images/246.pdf
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

9/11 Attacks

al-Arabiya: 36% of Arabs polled said the 9/11 attacks were morally justified; 38% disagreed; 26% Unsure
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/20...10/166274.html

Gallup: 38.6% of Muslims believe 9/11 attacks were justified (7% "fully", 6.5% "mostly", 23.1% "partially")
http://elderofziyon.blogspot.com/200...l-muslims.html
http://www.washingtoninstitute.org/t...6.php?CID=1154


Violence in Defense of Islam

40% of Indonesians approve of violence in defense of Islam.
http://www.thejakartapost.com/detail...d=20060728.@03

Pew Global: 68% of Palestinian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
43% of Nigerian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
38% of Lebanese Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
15% of Egyptian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
13% of Indonesian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
12% of Jordanian Muslims say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
7% of Muslim Israelis say suicide attacks against civilians in defense of Islam are justified.
http://cnsnews.com/node/53865 (Pew Global Attitudes Project September, 2009)

Center for Social Cohesion: One Third of British Muslim students support killing for Islam
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...haria-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

Policy Exchange: One third of British Muslims believe anyone who leaves Islam should be killed
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/Sharia...eLawForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 78% of British Muslims support punishing the publishers of Muhammad cartoons;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

NOP Research: Hardcore Islamists comprise 9% of Britain's Muslim population;
Another 29% would "aggressively defend" Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

ICM Poll: 11% of British Muslims find violence for religious or political ends acceptable.
http://www.icmresearch.co.uk/reviews...ms%20Nov04.asp
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005...itish-islamist

Terrorism Research Institute Study: 51% of mosques in the U.S. have texts on site rated as severely advocating violence; 30% have texts rated as moderately advocating violence; and 19% have no violent texts at all.
http://www.terrorismanalysts.com/pt/...ue-survey/html

Pew Research (2013): 76% of South Asian Muslims and 56% of Egyptians advocate killing anyone who leaves the Islamic religion.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 19% of Muslim Americans believe suicide bombings in defense of Islam are at least partially justified (global average is 28% in countries surveyed).
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): 39% of Muslims in Malaysia say suicide bombings "justified" in defense of Islam (only 58% say 'never').
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/s...ims-joshua-woo

Before the statistics here are some of the laws that comprise sharia law

Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Muhammad is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah, the moon god of Islam is punishable by death.
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death.
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (per Muhammad's words in Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251)
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife but a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed only in property cases, carries half the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits.
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to be eaten must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah



83% of Pakistanis support stoning adulterers
78% of Pakistanis support killing apostates
http://www.realcourage.org/2009/08/p...ostate-deaths/

Center for Social Cohesion: 40% of British Muslim students want Sharia
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...haria-law.html
http://www.socialcohesion.co.uk/pdf/IslamonCampus.pdf

ICM Poll: 40% of British Muslims want Sharia in the UK
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html

GfK NOP: 28% of British Muslims want Britain to be an Islamic state
http://www.civitas.org.uk/pdf/Sharia...eLawForAll.pdf

NOP Research: 68% of British Muslims support the arrest and prosecution of anyone who insults Islam;
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/...ate=2011-04-06
http://www.webcitation.org/5xkMGAEvY

MacDonald Laurier Institute: 62% of Muslims want Sharia in Canada (15% say make it mandatory)
http://www.torontosun.com/2011/11/01...riah-in-canada
http://www.macdonaldlaurier.ca/much-...ion-in-canada/

World Public Opinion: 81% of Egyptians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Pakistanis want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
49% (plurality) of Indonesians want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
76% of Moroccans want strict Sharia imposed in every Islamic country
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

World Public Opinion: 64% of Egyptians said it was “very important for the government” to “apply traditional punishments for crimes such as stoning adulterers.”
http://www.worldpublicopinion.org/pi..._Feb09_rpt.pdf

Pew Research (2010): 77% of Egyptian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
58% of Jordanian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
36% of Indonesian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
82% of Pakistanis favor floggings and amputation
65% of Nigerian Muslims favor floggings and amputation
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...and-hezbollah/

Pew Research (2013): 72% of Indonesians want Sharia to be law of the land
http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/news/...law-pew-forum/

Pew Research (2013): 81% of South Asian Muslims and 57% of Egyptians suport amputating limbs for theft.
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Pew Research (2013): According to an interpretation of this study, approximately 45% of Sharia supporters surveyed disagreed with the idea that Islamic law should apply only to Muslims..
http://www.pewforum.org/uploadedFile...ull-report.pdf

Where did you copy and past those series of posted links from?

Coolerboy, you did not address my factual historic undeniable instances where Muslims protect jews from persucution. Including ww2 and the Spanish Inqusition


All your terrorist attack info is predominantly from after 9/11. Again Bin Laden is a con artist who was trained and financially supported by the ISI/CIA in the 1980s during the Soviet Afgan War. These historic facts along with the Achitiname of M which sets fourth a command my M himself that christians are to be treated with respect and dignity, and be given protection.

You have acknowleged none of this and now most recently you got very frustrated, you just made 3 consecutive posts in a despicable attempt to destroy a religion that over 1.6 billion followers adhere to.

Again, in a fashion completely mimicking SIOA, a muslim hate group. Coolerboy has resorted to the most extreme shock tactics.

A recent gallop poll debunks once again, the Islamophobic views of coolerboy and his SIOA ilk.

"Despite widespread media coverage of global terrorism from America and Europe to the Middle East and Asia, little is known about what majorities of the world's Muslims really think and feel"


"The result is Who Speaks for Islam? What a Billion Muslims Really Think, based on six years of research and more than 50,000 interviews representing 1.3 billion Muslims who reside in more than 35 nations that are predominantly Muslim or have sizable Muslim populations. Representing more than 90% of the world's Muslim community, it makes this poll the largest, most comprehensive study of its kind"

Here is the data from the poll:

"93% of Muslims rejected 9/11 in suicide attacks and the seven percent who didn’t that they all went polled and focus groups sited political reasons for their support for violence not religious reasons"

- Muslims and Americans are equally likely to reject attacks on civilians as morally unjustifiable.

- Large majorities of Muslims would guarantee free speech if it were up to them to write a new constitution AND they say religious leaders should have no direct role in drafting that constitution.

-Muslims around the world say that what they LEAST admire about the West is its perceived moral decay and breakdown of traditional values -- the same answers that Americans themselves give when asked this question.

-When asked about their dreams for the future, Muslims say they want better jobs and security, not conflict and violence.

-Muslims say the most important thing Westerners can do to improve relations with their societies is to change their negative views toward Muslims and respect Islam.

http://www.gallup.com/press/104206/W...S-ISLAM.aspx#2



Coolerboy, if you continue in your Islamophobic ways I will simply stop responding to you, you are wasting my time and you are out of control. I mean 3 posts like that in a row demonstrates a level of something more then disagreement or even discontent toward 1.6 billion people.

I didn't conduct the polls so if you are offended by or disagree with them you would need to take it up with the research companies.

I understand , I am asking what website did you pull the page of links from? I have a hard time believing you individual listed all of those links, seeing that your 3 consecutive posts were separated by only 6 minutes.

Also "Muslims say the most important thing Westerners can do to improve relations with their societies is to change their negative views toward Muslims and respect Islam"

I'll respect islam when it gives me reason to

I don't think the things we are discussing are "out of date", it is just historical. I think I have a pretty realistic view of the social impact of Christianity. I am happy to discuss Christianity in other threads but that is not what this thread is about.

I totally disagree. Kid seems to think by not talking about apostasy and some of the other real issues that somehow we will all go away thinking Islam is not half bad.

Note: If you still think I have confirmation bias let me know. Bias is difficult to detect in oneself.

I think dereds is saying that the guy in the New Statesman article accepts the challenges. I completely agree that thekid is not doing so. In fact, he appears to hold that anyone who criticizes Islam is Islamophobic EXCEPT when he does it himself.

To be fair he as never criticized Islam. Its human failure not Islam at fault when pushed.

Yeah zumby's right I'm talking about Mehdi Hasan thekid certainly seems not to.

Interesting viewpoint zumby,I would say in my defense of course the facts are I have claimed two people as being Islamophobic. So the thing is I would ask critiques like you, where do you draw the line if any wrt criticism of Islam? I would ask for your honest opinion

And again, I don't know how many times I have stated this. I am not biased when it comes to Muslim majority countries, See my criticism of certain polices of Saudia Arabia. As for the Quran, of course I have the utmost respect for the Quran and if folks are asking me for my view on a certain passage I will discuss this with you. What troubles me is when someone pours nothing but insults on the Quran and Islam and then excepts me to reply in a civil manner.

I would also like to ask coolerboy to provide a source for his 3 consecutive linked posts.

I admit at times even I have been a bully itt, and that will stop.

attention readers,

I had a feeling all I had to do was some minor digging,

There is a significant red flag here with coolerboy, in post 211 he links a anti-Islam hate site, http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=211

At least one of coolerboys links is of frontpagemag which is affiliated with the hate site Jihad watch. http://www.frontpagemag.com/2010/dav...inded-by-hate/

Frontpagemag is ran by none other then David Horowitz, a known anti-Muslim affiliate of Robert Spencer. Robert Spencer is a contributing editor of frontpagemag. " Robert Spencer is the director of Jihad Watch, a program of the David Horowitz Freedom Center"

Frontpagemag has a link to Jihadwatch (a site ran by Robert Spencer) on its main webpage , where i suspect Coolerboy is also pulling his info from.



FPM's 2009 "Man of the Year" was radio and then-Fox News host Glenn Beck

On January 1, 2007, FrontPage Magazine named Ignacio Ramos and Jose Compean its 2006 "People Of The Year 2006".[5] The two United States Border Patrol agents shot drug smuggler Osvaldo Aldrete-Davila in the buttocks near the US–Mexico border and were convicted of assault with serious bodily injury, assault with a deadly weapon, discharge of a firearm in relation to a crime of violence, violating the civil rights of an illegal alien, and obstruction of justice "for not reporting that their weapons had been fired". They had been sentenced to 11 years and 1 day and 12 years imprisonment, respectively, and were subsequently incarcerated. FrontPage Magazine considered them guilty only of "bureaucratic infractions"; "these men have lost their money, their reputations, and (perhaps soon) their freedom trying to protect our nation. For that, they deserve our thanks."

Thekid this conversation is about Islam not what some man that I hadn't heard of before you mentioned him thinks about immigration, stick to the subject.

In addition to the source that thekid has an issue with my sources include hate promoting extremist publications such as.

CBS News
The New York Times
USA today
The Washington Post
The Daily Mail
telelgraph.co.uk
peoplepress.org
Forbes.com
Gallup
ynetnews
worldpublicopinion.org
pew global
icm research
fosis.org
americanthinker.com
policyexchange.org
washingtoninstitute.org
the Jakarta Post
CNS news
The Jakarta Globe
canadafreepress.com

horrendous dodge attempt there, is it not your responsibility to check your sources when you post information?

Coolerboy you don't seem to understand one of your sources is a hate website. I understand you may have done this by accident but what I suspect happened is you copied and pasted your 3 linked posts from a site similar to Jihad watch. These sites will have a big list of news outlets who publish polls regarding Islam, most of these polls are incomplete. And as outlined by my recent gallup poll in which was the largest most comprehensive study of its kind wrt to Islam,

The study showed that "93% of Muslims worldwide do not agree with the suicide attacks of 9/11. The remaining 7 percent cited political reasons, not religious."


News outlets like CBS,forbes, gallup, USA today and other non hate news outlets would not affiliate themselves with Jihad Watch or front page mag. Again Coolerboy, within your 3 consecutive posts, there are linked hate websites listed.