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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
if we needed a designer then logically God does too.
no, that does not follow from logic. you are making a separate claim.
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Originally Posted by Mightyboosh
You think something complex came from something more simple? How can God be less complex than the universe that he created?
your logical fallacy is : argument from ignorance. just because you don't know how something could have been done, you assume it must be 1 particular way.
so just because you don't know how a non-complex being could have created the universe, you falsely assert that it can't have happened.
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Here is 1 version of the cosmological argument:
Whatever begins to exist has a cause.
The Universe began to exist.
Therefore, the Universe had a cause (which i will define as God)
or
Whatever was designed had a designer.
The Universe was designed.
Therefore, the Universe had a designer (which i will define as God)
If you want to 'using the same logic' show that God must also have had a cause, the burden of proof is on you to show that, in this case, 'God began to exist'. Or in the other case that 'Designers must be designed'. I do not accept either of those claims unless you can support them.