If the script has already been written from his point of view, wouldn't that mean that if you asked God to heal you and he said something like "you don't deserve it yet but I'll do it if you become a missionary" there is some disengenuosness or paradoxes going on there?

I don't see any paradoxes in the situation you describe.....just some quid pro quo.

Well people from the other thread claim that God changed his mind at least once in the bible so maybe he is doing it more often. Not that I see how he can change his mind if he knew what will happen from the start and made the best decision then. For him to change his mind means at least one of the two made decisions was not the best one. So to conclude: he is either insincere or he is not making the best decision either in the beginning or at the moment he decides to heal the man. No paradox, though.

There is only a problem if he said this part "you don't deserve it yet". If this isnt part of what God said I see no problem.

No - he says whatever he says knowing how you're responding in your future, knowing what consequences are happening in your distant future and knowing what changes he is making in your far, far distant future. He doesn't 'wait and see' - for him all times are equally accessible even though to you he makes an offer, you choose to respond and he then comes through or doesnt.

The universe is consistent and we proceed through life making all kinds of decisions and choices - he's just not there traipsing through time with the rest of us.

It's just God check raising.

The future has not already been written, God just knows ahead of time what is going to unfold. Yes, that seems beyond most peoples capicity to grasp. That the future can be known but yet not be already written, meaning it has not happened yet, its still future.

Asking God to heal you sounds like a nice religous thing to do, but thats not exactly how things work with God.

Healing comes by believing God, God's word, or the words of Gods men which is based on either the written words of God or revelation from God.

No one gets healed because they deserve it and no one is denied healing because they do not deserve it. Healing is based on the spiritual law of believing.

Now, in order to recieve you need to ask according to the word of God for something that is available from God, and when you ask you have to believe. Not merely just say that you believe, your believing has to come from the heart, no doubt, not wavering. Yes this is possible and happens all the time. Unbelievers, meaning those who are not Christians can believe for God to heal them, but a believer has to be present for the power of God to be unleashed to the unbeliever.

If I did not understand your question please reword your question so its not so baity and tricky, and so that normal un analytical beings can understand, unless you just want to keep trying to stack the deck.

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This puts forth some pretty faulty logic. How then is it possible for a true to believer to ever become sick and die? If he is a true believer and asks god to continuously heal him, how then will he not obtain everlasting life? It also cannot explain away true believers who are condemned with cancer and succumb to it. You may say that they aren't true believers, but who are you to make that distinction. If they are truly a believer and are not healed, how then can this statement be accurate?

This is the kind of BS you get involved in when you take religion seriously.

Lame thread.... and when you sober up, I think you'll agree.

if you believe god exists, then you know prayer does nothing to change god's precognition. prayer is just a sign of things to come. prayer is meaningless if it is not in accordance with the true ideals of the bible.

atheists, if you got nothing objective to say, then don't say anything. makes sense right. by saying subjective stuff, you are depleting your cause.

wat?

i guess "faith" is objective?

In terms of poker, a religious person is like a guy at the WSOP who sits out every hand until he's blinded away to nothing because he's convinced he's going to get a place at the final table in the sky.

My message to the religious is "good luck and thanks for the blinds". In other words, don't waste time arguing with the religious, just keep playing for the real final table while they're concentrating on the imaginary one.

I loled heartily