Then the question should be why doesn't God put Satan in the lake of fire now like he will supposedly do in the future?


Satan Freed, Doomed
" 7 When the thousand years are completed, Satan will be released from his prison, 8 and will come out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together for the war; the number of them is like the sand of the [c]seashore. 9 And they came up on the [d]broad plain of the earth and surrounded the camp of the [e]saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from heaven and devoured them. 10 And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and [f]brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever. "


The answer seems to be he uses/needs Satan to deceive people so God can destroy them.

But Yaweh does have the power to destroy immortals, he has done so in the past:

Pslam 82:

6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

7 But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.

It doesn't matter what you think. That notion is patently absurd.

An intelligent discourse on design should not begin with "I suspect the Wizard of Oz".

This is a better question.

just in case you missed this, stu

I did not respond because the response is obvious. If God can kill another lessor god, then that lessor god is not immortal.

Who said anything about "lesser"? The psalm certainly doesn't. Is there any reason to think these god's do not share the same qualities as yahweh? The passage reads " ye are all gods.... but ye shall die like men"

In other words, even though you are gods, you will die, as men do.

This is sort of where it starts to get irritating, why would you just arbitrarily add the qualifier "lesser?"

The fact that those gods can be killed and Yahweh can't is a very compelling reason to think that those gods do not share the same qualities of Yahweh.

who says yahweh can't be killed? This whole thing is question begging.

I would say that most if not all who believe in yahweh operate under the assumption that He is eternal...i.e. has always existed and will always exist.

Anyways it is sunday and I have to go to church now to pray for heathens like you.

What is this evidence of, exactly? We have established that Yaweh has taken gods out of existence before. We have further established that gods dying is unusual, (although ye be gods ye will die like men) and there is nothing to indicate that these gods are in any way different from Yahweh. All I'm doing is reading the psalm, nothing more.

I dislike the Can God microwave a burrito so hot that he cannot eat it? arguments against God. It just seems a contrived line of reasoning to me.

Look if your position depends on your belief that Yaweh is mortal...I can't prove you wrong. However most people, in my experience, who actually worship Yaweh, believe Him to be immortal. If you want to be critical of their beliefs then be critical of them. Don't make up your own beliefs about what Yaweh believers should believe and then proceed to criticize your own made up beliefs about what Yaweh believers should believe just so you can pretend you've show those Yaweh believers they are wrong...by doing that you are just wasting everyones time.

This has nothing to do with MY belief... let's do it this way. Based on christian theology:

1. Gods can die
2. Yaweh is a God
so 3. Yahweh can die

Lets see you do a poll of Christains and see how many would agree with your belief that Yahweh can be killed.

Please stop being evasive. The only questions to be answered here are:

1. Are the premisis true
2. Do they follow to my conclusion

If the answer to both is yes, you have to give it to me, no matter who would believe what.

I don't think very many christians accept your premises. Thats my critique of you. You make up your own premises and pretend they are christian premises so you can formulate a argurment to show the christians are wrong. You've produced a text book example of a straw man argument.

well which premise is incorrect?

God's can die? We saw that in the psalm, we also saw a distinct seperation of "god" and "man" so there isn't really any ambiguity there.

Yaweh is a god? certainly not.

Look, i'll be honest, if you can't just conceed a point when necessary I have no idea why you come here in the first place. It's not even like this kills anything about your theology if proven philosophically, so why are you being so stubborn about it?? If you can't show me which of my premises is false, or that they don't follow to my conclusion, you are just sticking your fingers in your ears when you say my sylogism is invalid.

There is nothing for me to conceede here. Your premises are not premises Christains would accept(and you have more than two...some are implied). Trying to pass them off as premises that Christains would accept is an underhanded debate tactic.

It doesn't matter who would accept them, what is so difficult about this?

My premises come from the bible

and my conclusion comes from my premesis

Who would accept them is irrelevant.

Exactly. What's your answer?

batair said...

Surely not. Such a god would be very bad. So, why would an "all good" god allow evil?