Belief in a 6k year old earth is not a requirement of Christianity. I do not know how to put it any plainer. I am sure you will find Christians who will tell you it is a requirement, but that is not the same thing, is it?

QFT.

You are truly deeply perceptive RLK.

I think the only thing a Christian has to believe is God did it.

God NEVER even attempts to explain how he did it.

He's only gives the most general of outlines. Probably the biggest reason he tells us is just so we know how powerful he is and because he had to establish the Sabbath day.

John Cole posted a nice link explaining the whole Creationist movement started in the 60s.

But who's spinning all these false illusions about the nature of what Christians believe?

"And God said, "Let there be light," and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and He separated the light from the darkness..."

Genesis describes what God saw(His prespective) in a manner that a human could understand.

So where's the new word of God for the enlightened 21st century man? Sure we have science, but plenty of people still take the Bible as the inerrant literal word of God. Why is his book so damn confusing?

Be patient......He's a cookin something up.

Pletho,

You're all-right in my book..

Ahhhh, it just makes more and more sense every day.

Using that sort of reasoning, absolutely nothing in the Bible is literally true, is it?

People like to reverse reason in this forum.

How come it never occurred to anyone that if God is at war with Satan he probably wouldn't put exactly how he did it all in his book.

Satan can read the book too. He's a prominent figure just not as prominent as he'd like to be.

Twisting and manipulating the meaning of various verses within the Bible in order to present a convoluted argument suggesting that the Bible's theory of the age of humanity/ the world and the estimates science gives us are compatible in any reasonable sense of the word is not only intellectually dishonest but is also an insult to the intelligence of any Christians who may be reading your fabricated and utterly corrupt posts.

Quote from Splendour:


" People like to reverse reason in this forum.

How come it never occurred to anyone that if God is at war with Satan he probably wouldn't put exactly how he did it all in his book.

Satan can read the book too. He's a prominent figure just not as prominent as he'd like to be."


And Splendour, I don't mean to be unnecessarily offensive however I must say that your post suggesting that God didn't want to disclose exactly how or why we got here as he was afraid Satan would get a hold of his blueprints has actually distressed me as much as it has brought me to tears through laughter. I am sure it is possible for you to actually believe this I'm just not sure how. Please elaborate on this post in which you accuse others of reversing reason. Are you really aware of what you are suggesting here?

This is what continues to confuse me. It seems that even if someone backs up their claim as to why the scripture says one thing and not another, so many people on this forum accuse them of twisting and manipulating the scriptures.

It seems that it is never taken into account on this forum that the bible was not written in English and that it was not written yesterday. So the way we talk today and the words that we use were not exactly the same as what was use when the bible was written.

Even the language of the new testament, which is much younger, is nothing like what we write today.

I think that it was Boyd in one of his sermons talks about the saying "loving you from my heart, or with all my heart". In those times that would have been an absurd thing to say. The would say "loving you from my bowels", or something to that extent.

Now what you and others continue to expect is that christians today read the bible they are supposed to take something like "love God from the bottom of your bowels" to mean something like, you must pray every single time you are on the toilet. That would be a fairly reasonable literal interpretation. But it would have nothing to do with what the text was actually trying to convey.

But when that is explained to you and others, you scream out "EXCUSES!"

I do not understand why you and others insist on doing that. Could you explain your thought pattern here for me?

seriously?

That's because you don't have a cosmic view of God.

God is the God of the Universe. Both Satan and Jesus are referred to as the Morning Star.

I'm merely suggesting this spiritual war has cosmic dimensions and started before Genesis and it seems to be a war of containment.

And the place where God has decided to contain Satan is Earth until he transfers him to hell in the meantime we have hell on earth.

Now why would he allow Satan access to knowledge to create other worlds to go fight this spiritual battle on and make it neverending?

why would god place satan on earth where his people are? dick move imo...seems like you don't really beleive in an omnipotent/benevolent god if you are proposing that these war with satan posts might acfually be true...

We don't know that God placed him here. He's in heaven until a certain time.

But the whole problem started with Satan's rebellion. Satan had free will just like we do. How do we know God isn't giving Satan time to repent? But I don't think he will according to scripture.

At the same time he's saving us. The children of God get to come out of this higher than the angels, co-heirs with Christ.

From what I've heard, Satan is really good at translating Hebrew. (he's struggling with the interpretations though)

Here's a few things about Satan's nature and power:

http://www.new-life.net/satan.htm

The Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are 2 separate things.

We just confuse them all the time:

http://www.kjvbible.org/thekingdoms.html

Satan can go back and forth between the heaven and the earth until a certain time:

http://www.velocity.net/~edju/NewsV3N2.htm

Here is an excerpt from Splendour's link which apparently relates to a lot of us in the forums:


THE POWER OF SATAN OVER THOSE OUTSIDE OF CHRIST . . .


Satan has the whole world of unbelievers under his control (Matthew 4:8-10; John 14:30; 1 John 5:19).


Unbelievers belong to him (1 John 3:8,12) and are his children (1 John 3:10).


Satan has the power of influence and blinding. He blinds the minds of the unbelieving (2 Corinthians 4:4). He prevents the gospel from entering their hearts (Matthew 13:19; Luke 8:11). Satan speaks through fortunetellers (Acts 16:16), cult leaders (1 Timothy 4:1-2), and false preachers (2 Corinthians 11: 13-15). He seeks to deceive about his existence, his purposes, his activities, and his coming defeat. He is the deceiver of the whole world (Revelation 12:8). His ultimate deception will be in the anti-christ (2 Thessalonians 2:9).


Satan can control a person’s body. Demons can cause muteness (Luke 11:14), mental disorder (John 10:20), violent action (Luke 8:26-29), and crippling (Luke 13:11,16). In these examples Satan caused people to be handicapped although there was nothing physically wrong with them.


Satan influences governments and nations. Daniel 10:12-13,20-21 gives us a glimpse into the spiritual realm of angels and demons and how they affect nations. The "prince of the Persian kingdom" (v.13) is apparently a demon exercising influence over the Persian realm in the interests of Satan. The archangel of God named Michael finally overcame his resistance. Likewise the "prince of Greece" in verse 20 is also a demon."


Splendour, please don't believe everything you read on the internet. If truly believe the above interpretation of the Bible to be the accurate "word of God" in relation to Satan's power then your mind has truly been warped by religion to a devastating effect.

The contents of this webpage and the way it is presented disgusts me and should register as non-sense in the minds of any level headed free thinking individual. Unfortunately I can describe you as neither of those and I must express my belief that your views are particularly dangerous, narrow minded and indeed bigoted on many levels.

fix'd

devilset666, do you consider yourself a more reliable source of information then what Splendour logically decides for herself to be?

Do you or do you not believe the earth was created ~6k years ago?

I could certainly point her in the direction of better sources of information, see my edited post above please with conclusion on her vile beliefs.

The reason unbelievers reject the word when it is plainly taught is because they are unbelievers. Things are so much more simple than people make them out to be. Things are very black and white, right and wrong when it comes to truth.

What I shared in my previous post about the the earth and its age is 100% truth. Honestly it doesn't really matter to me if the unbelievers believe or not from my posts. I just enjoy sharing the knowledge I have of the word.

The word is known by millions of Christians but the rightly divided word is scarcely known. I am not a know it all believe me, nor perfect but a well rounded knowledge of the Word of God allowed David to say something that is astounding.

Psa 119:100 I understand more than the ancients, because I keep thy precepts.

The following verse is absolutely truth.

2Pe 1:3 According as his divine power hath given unto us all things that [pertain] unto life and godliness, through the knowledge of him that hath called us to glory and virtue:

God's Word has ALL THINGS that pertain unto life and godliness.

The answers are in the bible to all of life's puzzling questions but HOW to find them is what puzzles many.

I knew that when I answered this question that the ONLY reason it was asked was because the person asking it THOUGHT that it was a unanswerable question and that he would fuel the fire of unbelief by asking it. LOL

So I thought I might throw a little cog in the wheel of the smugness of the unbelievers who feel that they could come up with a question that God could not answer. Now that is funny. A question that God who created ALL THINGS could not answer via His Word.

Well, enjoy squabbling in all your unbelief and to those of you on here who are actually Christians I will say this one thing: You are more than likely wasting your precious time trying to convince goats. They do not hear us because their ears are dull of hearing, they see with their eyes but do not see, they hear with their ears but do not hear, because their minds have been blinded by the adversary.

Jhn 12:35 Then Jesus said unto them, Yet a little while is the light with you. Walk while ye have the light, lest darkness come upon you: for he that walketh in darkness knoweth not whither he goeth.


Jhn 12:36 While ye have light, believe in the light, that ye may be the children of light. These things spake Jesus, and departed, and did hide himself from them.


Jhn 12:37 But though he had done so many miracles before them, yet they believed not on him:


Jhn 12:38 That the saying of Esaias the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spake, Lord, who hath believed our report? and to whom hath the arm of the Lord been revealed?


Jhn 12:39 Therefore they could not believe, because that Esaias said again,


Jhn 12:40 He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with [their] eyes, nor understand with [their] heart, and be converted, and I should heal them.

Their hearts were blinded by their own unbelief and hardheartedness. Have you ever tried to teach a stubborn child, one who thought they knew it all.

You can't do it, not because you have not got the ability, but because they have not got what is needed to recieve. Meekness (receptivity) and Humility of mind.

God promises this though.

Mat 5:6 Blessed [are] they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled.

Those who genuinely thirst and hunger for righteousness, what is right, will be filled. Because someone who genuinely is hungry knows they do not have it all figured out. They will recognize truth when it is presented to them. They have a receptive heart.

This forum has been fun and I have enjoyed the last few days I have been on here sharing my knowledge of the Word with those who believe. I doubt I will spend much more time here, even the ones who do seem to believe seem to have a hard time believing at times even though they are confronted with the truth directly from the word.

So I leave you all to your debating. If at sometime in the future I do pop back in I can assure you it will be to answer and not debate a question and definatley not to argue with a unbeliever. LOL

Have a great day and God bless you all.

This not only goes to the believers but to the unbelievers as well because:

1Ti 2:4 Who (God) will (wants) have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

1Ti 2:5 For [there is] one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;