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09-07-2016 , 05:04 PM
Dear silent majority here, I invite you to do this research in the internet with google.

Google the word existence and then the diametrically opposite word nonexistence.

Here I will do it for you, then you take up thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas why so much much more hits for existence than for nonexistence.

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ex•ist•ence
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noun: existence
1. the fact or state of living or having objective reality.
"the plane was the oldest Boeing remaining in existence"
o continued survival.
"she helped to keep the company alive when its very existence was threatened"
synonyms: actuality, being, existing, reality; More
survival, continuation
"the industry's continued existence"
o a way of living.
plural noun: existences
"living in a city was more expensive than a rural existence"
synonyms: way of life, way of living, life, lifestyle
"her suburban existence"
o any of a person's supposed current, future, or past lives on this earth.
"reaping the consequences of evil deeds sown in previous existences"
o archaic
a being or entity.
o all that exists.
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late Middle English: from Old French, or from late Latin existentia, from Latin exsistere ‘come into being,’ from ex- ‘out’ + sistere ‘take a stand.’
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Definition of nonexistence. : absence of existence : the negation of being.
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Definition of nonexistence. : absence of existence : the negation of being.
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There literally is no such thing as "nothing". The folk/common-sense concept of "nothing" isn't ... Sometimes we talk about the "non-existence" of a person or thing. But we only mean that a particular configuration of matter has changed forms.
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How to come to God existing with thinking on truths, facts, logic... Quote
09-07-2016 , 05:19 PM
Now try this other research, google God exists, and God does not exist, and you will see why according to ancient wise men, Infinitus est numerus stultorum (Infinite is the number of fools).

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How to come to God existing with thinking on truths, facts, logic... Quote
09-07-2016 , 05:47 PM
I googled leprechaun, and got 11.6 million results. Does that mean leprechauns exist? or leprechauns dont exist?
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09-07-2016 , 05:49 PM
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not being able to explain existence ( whatever that would mean ) does not automatically mean that theres a god, and that he did it.

Thats just an argument from ignorance, or incredulity
Of course not but it means that claiming god doesn't exist is logically not reasonable. Logically not reasonable means: It is bull ****, non sense.
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09-07-2016 , 06:07 PM
Thanks everyone for your presence here.

Now, I will propose to us all to think over this thought from yours truly:

There is existence in the status preceding the big bang at which point of the big bang, the universe and time and space studied by scientists started their development into its present status.

Please do not again seek darkness with the timorous escape latch that it is meaningless to talk about any status preceding the big bang, because you don't know nothing prior - with prior as a thought placeholder, prior to the big bang it is all unknown terrain.

That kind of thinking marks you out as not only ignorant, witless, stupid, but also a coward from curiosity; instead of having balls of man by nature curious, you have castrated yourself from your nature of curiosity to a de-testiculated status of a timorous animal in trembling fear, taking to flight from knowing.

I tell you, Oh ye wastrels here, existence is the default status of the totality of being, you can't extinguish existence, but you can extinguish yourself.
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09-07-2016 , 06:15 PM
Nice post Susmario. There's a lot to discuss here.

Bolded points are from your post:

It posits that humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or does not exist. Given the possibility that God actually does exist and assuming the infinite gain or loss associated with belief in God or with unbelief, a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God


This does seem reasonable. Given a potential immortality, jeopardizing this for anything in this life time seems foolish. Ways in which you might can jeopardize this is where it gets tricky.

What is god going to evaluate us for in regards to granting us an extension to death, or to allow us to go to heaven instead of hell, or however you perceive what god may give you? You could go the Christian route, be nice to people, treat others as you would like to be treated, be against capital punishment and abortion, don't allow gay culture to succeed, etc.

You could go the Islam route, never let anything disgrace the name of Allay, anything not pro Islam is an enemy, dying in his name gets you 70 some virgins in the afterlife, etc. It's easy to understand why ISIS does what it does based on their belief system. If I had the belief system they do, I'd live like they do.

So the question is whether to pick a present/popular/historic religion, or to ask yourself, what would god want from me? I choose to think for myself, because none of the religions that I'm aware of convince me that it would be in my best interest to follow in order to pass a god evaluation. They all have major flaws, so I'll use all of them as a resource to help me build myself for my future evaluation.

It would be foolish for atheists or agnostics to not do this, based on the presumption that I pulled from your post. I am most certainty preparing. The whole process is quite fulfilling and enjoyable. And it should be. It's the most meaningful way to spend my time that I have encountered so far in my life. You ma call it a spiritual life, one of deep meaning in everything I do, type of existence. It's just me, and matter around me. I have no idea why anything exists, and what happens when I die. Quite mysterious.

I believe god would want his creation to be happy, so some sort of evaluation on your ability or desire to give happiness to others seems reasonable to pursue.

A few things I do based upon this:
Smile to the cashier, or whoever you pass by. Seeing other's smile tends to induce happiness within us. It's also so easy, how ridiculous to not do this.
Also, I have a mindset when entering social interactions with others: to leave the other person better off then they were because of encountering me. Maybe tell a joke, solving a problem of theirs, allowing them to express themselves if they need a sound board, etc. Never selfishly putting them down or putting my problems onto them, unless I really need help or that I think they will enjoy helping me.

Another thing that I think god would look for in his selection process is the ability to create/evolve things. It (god) may want someone useful that can help accomplish it's task/agendas/whatever god may want assistance with. So I try to develop my mind: logic, rationality, focus, able to look at things at multiple perspectives without it clashing with my ego/self worth if I happen to be wrong, etc. I also try to acquire knowledge that I believe might be useful. I believe God may want knowledge on the current state of the world. So I learn everything I can about human nature, physics, politics, government, advancement in technology, current state of human morality, etc.

This is going really long. So I'll stop there. If you want more thoughts on how I'm preparing, lmk.

These two things really help me live a very fulfilling life. I look at life as a journey of evolution. To watch and experience myself evolve, and to watch and experience the rest of the world evolve as well. My entire life is based on doing exactly that, understanding/enjoying existence and it's process of evaluation. And what do you know, this is my most pleasurable way to spend my time. I haven't found another way to enjoy life more than this.

Anyone that says that they are putting no stock into life after death at all is extremely foolish. They would most likely be tremendously happier doing so imo. Plus all the post death equity, (potential afterlife evaluation), that you're missing out on. Evolving yourself and the rest of existence should be more fulfilling then having a beer and watching T.V.

Understanding this crazy place should be extremely interesting, considering the only way to explain existence is with god. And if god is true, then what are you doing. Trying and failing to disprove god? Why?

Start building yourself up along with the world. Evolve things. Spread joy to yourself and others. Does this sound something that god might do? Back to what makes us truly happy (really hard to tell what that is based on our understanding of the brain), this is my take on it. Maybe god has a little something to do with where our happiness/emotions/future enlightenment if you can achieve it, comes from.

What would it want you to receive pleasure for? I don't know... How about spreading happiness to the whole and building up/pushing forward this process of evolution we all are apart of. Sound something god might have designed? Spread joy and evolve/understand/to continuing evolving/to spread more joy, etc.

Assuming god is omniscient and all powerful, one may, but I deem foolish. It's hard to see the current state of the world and say, god must think this is a finished project. It also could be exactly the way it wants it. Hard to really know. It sure looks like a work in progress to me.

This went long, so I'll get to the rest of your last post at another time.

Susmario:
I really think it's in both of our best interests for you to respond to my fairly lengthy post I made a few posts back. If not, I won't bring it up again.

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09-07-2016 , 06:22 PM
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Now, I will propose to us all to think over this thought from yours truly:
You keep changing the subject. It's like every time people shine light onto the fallacies of logic and language that you engage in, you keep running back into the darkness.
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09-07-2016 , 06:24 PM
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existence is the default status of the totality of being
I'd like to point out that in your postings from Google when you searched for "existence" that none of them use the word "default" anywhere.
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09-07-2016 , 06:31 PM
If anyone looked at my last post and said it was to long to read, I'd really appreciate some feedback on it.
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09-07-2016 , 06:42 PM
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If anyone looked at my last post and said it was to long to read, I'd really appreciate some feedback on it.
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Bolded points are from your post:

It posits that humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or does not exist. Given the possibility that God actually does exist and assuming the infinite gain or loss associated with belief in God or with unbelief, a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God


This does seem reasonable. Given a potential immortality, jeopardizing this for anything in this life time seems foolish. Ways in which you might can jeopardize this is where it gets tricky.
A lot has been said about various forms of Pascal's wager. You can pursue that in a separate thread if you really want to get some perspectives on it. (You can also look it up on SEP: http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/pascal-wager/)

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You could go the Christian route, be nice to people, treat others as you would like to be treated, be against capital punishment and abortion, don't allow gay culture to succeed, etc.
There are issues with your characterization of the "Christian route" insofar as it's taking a very narrow slice of Christianity that you've been exposed to and presenting it as if that slice is representative of the larger faith movement.

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You could go the Islam route, never let anything disgrace the name of Allay, anything not pro Islam is an enemy, dying in his name gets you 70 some virgins in the afterlife, etc. It's easy to understand why ISIS does what it does based on their belief system.
There's a similar issue here with conflating Islam with ISIS.

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So the question is whether to pick a present/popular/historic religion, or to ask yourself, what would god want from me? I choose to think for myself, because none of the religions that I'm aware of convince me that it would be in my best interest to follow in order to pass a god evaluation. They all have major flaws, so I'll use all of them as a resource to help me build myself for my future evaluation.

It would be foolish for atheists or agnostics to not do this, based on the presumption that I pulled from your post. I am most certainty preparing. The whole process is quite fulfilling and enjoyable. And it should be. It's the most meaningful way to spend my time that I have encountered so far in my life. You ma call it a spiritual life, one of deep meaning in everything I do, type of existence. It's just me, and matter around me. I have no idea why anything exists, and what happens when I die. Quite mysterious.
This general type of spirituality is something to explore in depth somewhere other than this thread, as it will get lost here. In fact, the topic of just a generic spirituality is one that I don't recall has really been discussed much here.

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I believe god would want his creation to be happy, so some sort of evaluation on your ability or desire to give happiness to others seems reasonable to pursue.
Here's one of the things that happens with generic spirituality that gets somewhat interesting. You're now making a claim about God and God's desires. A follow-up question would be to pursue why this is something you believe.

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A few things I do based upon this:
I'm not going to requote the rest of this, but it's again something to pursue on the issue of general spirituality. And probably in a separate thread if you're really looking for a discussion of it.
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09-07-2016 , 07:41 PM
Aaron W:

Portion in bold is from your post:

There are issues with your characterization of the "Christian route" insofar as it's taking a very narrow slice of Christianity that you've been exposed to and presenting it as if that slice is representative of the larger faith movement.

I didn't mean to imply that those statements are exactly what Christianity is all about. There just some thoughts that came to my mind when I wrote that. I've only briefly read about Christianity, and did not see any value in further proceeding. Anything you deem valuable to share would be appreciated.

Same thoughts about Islam.

This general type of spirituality is something to explore in depth somewhere other than this thread, as it will get lost here. In fact, the topic of just a generic spirituality is one that I don't recall has really been discussed much here.


Good idea.

Here's one of the things that happens with generic spirituality that gets somewhat interesting. You're now making a claim about God and God's desires. A follow-up question would be to pursue why this is something you believe.

Very important question. It has to do with intuition, and the failure in being able to fully reprogram yourself. I'll leave this be here and take it up in the intuition thread going on in SMP.

I'm not going to requote the rest of this, but it's again something to pursue on the issue of general spirituality. And probably in a separate thread if you're really looking for a discussion of it.

Good advice. I won't further distract the discussion with this.
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09-07-2016 , 08:02 PM
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I won't further distract the discussion with this.
There's little discussion here to distract from. I would just hate for your thoughts to be lost in Susmario's endless observations about noses and nipples.
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09-08-2016 , 10:12 AM
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I googled leprechaun, and got 11.6 million results. Does that mean leprechauns exist? or leprechauns dont exist?
Rainbow gave 456 000 000 results, something is funky.
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09-08-2016 , 01:18 PM
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Rainbow gave 456 000 000 results, something is funky.
I believe in rainbows
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09-08-2016 , 03:18 PM
Dear MakingMoves, I do not read any further than these words from you, because you do not present the link to them from among my posts here.

What is alleged to be in my post without link is dismissed, period.

Cease and desist already from putting words in my mouth, period.

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Nice post Susmario. There's a lot to discuss here.

Bolded points are from your post:

It posits that humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or does not exist. Given the possibility that God actually does exist and assuming the infinite gain or loss associated with belief in God or with unbelief, a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God


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09-08-2016 , 03:22 PM
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I believe in rainbows
That's preposterous, rainbows don't have noses.
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09-08-2016 , 03:55 PM
Now, dear silent majority, thanks for your presence here.


I am talking about the default status of things in the totality of being which is existence, and that this default status of things prevails even prior - prior as a place holder in our thinking, even prior to the big bang.

You see, dear silent majority here, there are humans who are to my notice so overwhelmed by the fear of the default status of things in the totality of being which is existence, that they would rather emasculate their reason and intelligence, rather than think on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, as to come to certainty that prior to the big bang there is existence.

Now, dear silent majority here, I notice all the time that what I call the wastrels here, like Neeeel, Aaron, Uke, etc., they do not have any conclusion they want to arrive at in writing here: so they are writing pointless things here, and I am not going to waste my time with their pointless writing here, period.


Dear silent majority here, as you I expect know that even prior to the big bang there is existence which is the default status of things in the totality of being, then the origin of the universe which started at the point of the big bang is existing prior to the big bang.

And that is a certainty from reason and intelligence in our mind, with our thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.

No, it is not simply a feeling of certainty like with folks addicted to gambling, they have a vacuous certainty of winning founded purely on feeling in their guts, but not on thinking with their mind grounded on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.

So, when folks allege that theists like me only have the feeling of certainty of God existing, in particular the wastrels here, as they are always talking pointlessly, i.e., without any expressed conclusion they are driving at, I know certainly that they are talking from their a-hole, and I will not bother with interacting with them, not unless and until they come forth to declare what is the conclusion they are driving at, with writing here in this thread.

The conclusion that I am driving at in this thread is that man can and does come to the existence of God with thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas.

And everything that I write here is pointing in that direction.


Dear silent majority, when you read in the matter of God existing or not, always find out first whether a writer is pursuing a point at all that is directed to or away and even against the existence of God, and you notice that he does not have an expressed conclusion to reach, as to order his words into presenting his exposition to explain and advance his conclusion, then you can just abstain from investing time to read him, altogether: because he is a wastrel, he is into pointless prattle, totally unprofitable to you, Oh ye silent majority here.


Now, dear silent majority here, tell me, do you see or not see that even prior to the big bang, existence is the default status of things in the totality of being: yes? no?



Happy thinking and writing!
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09-08-2016 , 04:52 PM
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Now, dear silent majority

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You see, dear silent majority here

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Now, dear silent majority here

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Dear silent majority here

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Dear silent majority ... Oh ye silent majority here.

Now, dear silent majority here...
How do you know that there's even a silent majority? They haven't spoken and unless something strange is going on, you haven't touched their noses or fondled their junk. On what basis do you claim that they even exist?
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09-08-2016 , 08:10 PM
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Dear MakingMoves, I do not read any further than these words from you, because you do not present the link to them from among my posts here.

What is alleged to be in my post without link is dismissed, period.

Cease and desist already from putting words in my mouth, period.
Sorry about that:

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Now try this other research, google God exists, and God does not exist, and you will see why according to ancient wise men, Infinitus est numerus stultorum (Infinite is the number of fools).

Hehehehehe...
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Google God exists

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It posits that humans all bet with their lives either that God exists or does not exist. Given the possibility that God actually does exist and assuming the infinite gain or loss associated with belief in God or with unbelief, a rational person should live as though God exists and seek to believe in God.Jan 7,
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09-09-2016 , 04:15 PM
Dear everyone here, thanks for your presence.


Now I will continue or resume expounding on the default status of things in the totality of being which is existence.

How do we, Oh dear silent majority, know that there is existence?

Simple, from our experience of things in existence, like as I say again and again, the experience of the nose in our face, the balls with us guys hanging from our lower torso, the nipples on our upper torso, and the fart exiting from our a-hole: all are examples of the common and communal experience of mankind, and also of course things which are part and parcel of the environment we live in, which all, we and our body parts and processes and all the part and parcel of our environment, they all make up the universe studied by scientists.

There, experience is the proof of the existence of things and the justification of the truth, the fact, the logic, and the history of ideas, that existence is the default status of things in the totality of being.

What about humans who deny that experience is the ground for our certainty that we exist?

Don't talk with them, period.

Next, experience tells us that everything in the universe we experience has a beginning. and wherefore simple logic tells us that things with a beginning have a cause, which cause can be and usually is a link of causes ending of course ultimately in a final first cause.

That kind of thinking is what we call and know and practice with using our reason and intelligence, we call as the method of thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas to arrive at certainty of our knowledge of things existing independent of our mind.

So, from the experience of things existing with a beginning we infer to the existence of things with no beginning, meaning they simply, just, purely exist, period.

This means that from logic which is correct thinking, things in existence in the ultimate terms are of two classes, namely: things existing from others, and things existing from themselves.

And further on with logic, things existing from others because they have a beginning, they owe their beginning to things existing without a beginning, meaning these latter things simply, just, purely exist, period.

Do you notice, dear silent majority, that from experience we come to the certainty of existence, and from the experience of our having a beginning as also everything we experience have also a beginning, we infer to the existence of things without a beginning, meaning they simply, just, purely exist, period.

Further on with logic, we infer to the truth, and fact, and logic, and thus a crucial piece of the history of ideas with mankind, that things with a beginning owe their existence to things without beginning for these latters simply, just, purely exist.

The things with a beginning from logic we call things existing from others, and the things existing simply, just, purely, without beginning, we call them things existing from themselves.

What about God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

He is the Number One among the things existing from themselves simply, just, purely, without beginning; and I call Him with the name in English, God.


Now, dear silent majority, do you see something questionable with my exposition?

I will now put numbers to each paragraph above, so that you can refer to them by their numbers, to tell me which one you find questionable.

Please, only one per post.

1. How do we, Oh dear silent majority, know that there is existence?

2. Simple, from our experience of things in existence, like as I say again and again, the experience of the nose in our face, the balls with us guys hanging from our lower torso, the nipples on our upper torso, and the fart exiting from our a-hole: all are examples of the common and communal experience of mankind, and also of course things which are part and parcel of the environment we live in, which all, we and our body parts and processes and all the part and parcel of our environment, they all make up the universe studied by scientists.

3. There, experience is the proof of the existence of things and the justification of the truth, the fact, the logic, and the history of ideas, that existence is the default status of things in the totality of being.

4. What about humans who deny that experience is the ground for our certainty that we exist?

5. Don't talk with them, period.

6. Next, experience tells us that everything in the universe we experience has a beginning. and wherefore simple logic tells us that things with a beginning have a cause, which cause can be and usually is a link of causes ending of course ultimately in a final first cause.

7. That kind of thinking is what we call and know and practice with using our reason and intelligence, we call as the method of thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas to arrive at certainty of our knowledge of things existing independent of our mind.

8. So, from the experience of things existing with a beginning we infer to the existence of things with no beginning, meaning they simply, just, purely exist, period.

9. This means that from logic which is correct thinking, things in existence in the ultimate terms are of two classes, namely: things existing from others, and things existing from themselves.

10. And further on with logic, things existing from others because they have a beginning, they owe their beginning to things existing without a beginning, meaning these latter things simply, just, purely exist, period.

11. Do you notice, dear silent majority, that from experience we come to the certainty of existence, and from the experience of our having a beginning as also everything we experience have also a beginning, we infer to the existence of things without a beginning, meaning they simply, just, purely exist, period.

12. Further on with logic, we infer to the truth, and fact, and logic, and thus a crucial piece of the history of ideas with mankind, that things with a beginning owe their existence to things without beginning for these latters simply, just, purely exist.

13. The things with a beginning from logic we call things existing from others, and the things existing simply, just, purely, without beginning, we call them things existing from themselves.

14. What about God in concept as first and foremost the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning?

15. He is the Number One among the things existing from themselves simply, just, purely, without beginning; and I call Him with the name in English, God.

Now, dear silent majority, do you see something questionable with my exposition?

Please, choose only one per post.


Happy thinking and writing!
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09-09-2016 , 04:23 PM
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How do we, Oh dear silent majority, know that there is existence?

Simple, from our experience of things in existence, like as I say again and again, the experience of the nose in our face, the balls with us guys hanging from our lower torso, the nipples on our upper torso, and the fart exiting from our a-hole: all are examples of the common and communal experience of mankind, and also of course things which are part and parcel of the environment we live in, which all, we and our body parts and processes and all the part and parcel of our environment, they all make up the universe studied by scientists.
It's strange. No matter how many times this is granted, you seem to need to go back to it.

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There, experience is the proof of the existence of things and the justification of the truth, the fact, the logic, and the history of ideas, that existence is the default status of things in the totality of being.
And no matter how clearly it's demonstrated that observing something does not imply that the something is a default status, you keep repeating yourself as if you don't really know what's going on.

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What about humans who deny that experience is the ground for our certainty that we exist?
That you still don't think that there's a distinction between knowing that we exist and that other sentence you keep repeating is quite amusing.

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Next, experience tells us that everything in the universe we experience has a beginning. and wherefore simple logic tells us that things with a beginning have a cause, which cause can be and usually is a link of causes ending of course ultimately in a final first cause.
Finally! A new assertion! Why does everything with a beginning have a cause? It's not obvious. I think I've already given the example of radioactive particle emission in which the use of the word "cause" creates problems. There are actually some very interesting conversations to have about causality, but they're probably over your head.
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09-09-2016 , 06:14 PM
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There, experience is the proof of the existence of things
No one has disagreed with this

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What about humans who deny that experience is the ground for our certainty that we exist?
No one has denied this

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Next, experience tells us that everything in the universe we experience has a beginning.
No it doesnt.

Experience is simply phenomena ( or do I mean noumena? I always get confused) . experience itself tells us nothing about anything. the base experience comes with no labels about what it is, or how it occured , or what caused it
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09-09-2016 , 10:30 PM
Dear silent majority here, do you notice that Neeeel and Aaron, whom I call wastrels, they do not know about thinking as to come to just one thing they find to be most questionable, to ask me to explain.

Why only one thing? Because then we will not be into scattered brain fashion as they are always into: either from ignorance, witless-ness, and stupidity, or from bad faith of wanting to waste my time and tax my patience with having to invest a lot of work with them, to no useful purpose, as they are either ignorant, witless, and stupid, or they are motivated by bad intention to tire me out and thus make me go away.

They always lapse into getting themselves confused: because as I said they are ignorant, witless, and stupid; or they are into their lazy convenience thus in bad faith, by bringing up several things, which however is a give-away that they don't have any idea of focus and discernment of priorities.

Do you, Oh silent majority here, ever see me interacting point by point to any post here? That is the easiest thing to do with minds which are what I call or describe as scattered brains.


Okay, Oh ye wastrels here, think and come up with what to you is the most important point you want me to explain to you - remember! just one point per post.

And I will now add, no other point until you get to understand and we concur on that one point from mutual collaboration – that’s a tautology, with our respective contributions to the resolution of the difficult point you bring up.


You wastrel guys are really scattered brains.




Happy thinking and writing!
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09-09-2016 , 10:51 PM
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Dear silent majority here, do you notice that Neeeel and Aaron, whom I call wastrels, they do not know about thinking as to come to just one thing they find to be most questionable, to ask me to explain.
Given that there have been several explanations about the errors you've made that you have chosen to ignore, it seemed to be not worth the time to try to rehash it. Especially as you have the propensity to merely ignore things that are said anyway, and simply choose to repeat yourself.

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Why only one thing? Because then we will not be into scattered brain fashion as they are always into: either from ignorance, witless-ness, and stupidity, or from bad faith of wanting to waste my time and tax my patience with having to invest a lot of work with them, to no useful purpose, as they are either ignorant, witless, and stupid, or they are motivated by bad intention to tire me out and thus make me go away.
Interesting. Because even when I responded to just one thing, you still ignored what I said. So I figure I might as well get several things in at once and not create many posts.

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They always lapse into getting themselves confused: because as I said they are ignorant, witless, and stupid; or they are into their lazy convenience thus in bad faith, by bringing up several things, which however is a give-away that they don't have any idea of focus and discernment of priorities.
Nah. Bad faith is requesting for people to respond to two things, and then ignoring them after they've responded to those two things.

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Do you, Oh silent majority here, ever see me interacting point by point to any post here? That is the easiest thing to do with minds which are what I call or describe as scattered brains.
Nobody has ever seen you interact in any meaningful way to any of the comments. You just kind of ramble on and on as if nobody has said anything.

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Okay, Oh ye wastrels here, think and come up with what to you is the most important point you want me to explain to you - remember! just one point per post.
Oh right. Sorry. I forgot that you believe you have to set the rules. And that somehow, by ignoring things that don't play by your rules and also by ignoring things that do play by your rules, that you are somehow holding some sort of court.

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And I will now add, no other point until you get to understand and we concur on that one point from mutual collaboration – that’s a tautology, with our respective contributions to the resolution of the difficult point you bring up.
That's still not a tautology.

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You wastrel guys are really scattered brains.
It is true that relative to your single-mindedness, having two thoughts at any time can appear scattered. I assure you that this is merely an illusion created by the fact that you seem to think that you can just say your argument many times without addressing any objections and still be considered to have presented a meaningful, logical argument.

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Happy thinking and writing!
And to you as well. I hope you're enjoying this as much as I am. Though I must admit that it's not entirely clear to me that you're actually thinking anymore even though you continue to write. The word "and" in a logical setting requires both propositions to be true in order for the statement to be true. That is, unless you're merely asking others to be happy in their thinking and their writing, whereas for yourself you merely desire happiness from your writing without the thinking. This wouldn't be the first time that you've set up rules for others that you are unable to follow for yourself.
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09-10-2016 , 05:02 AM
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Okay, Oh ye wastrels here, think and come up with what to you is the most important point you want me to explain to you - remember! just one point per post.
The one point I choose is

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experience tells us that everything in the universe we experience has a beginning.
to which I responded

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No it doesnt.

Experience is simply phenomena ( or do I mean noumena? I always get confused) . experience itself tells us nothing about anything. the base experience comes with no labels about what it is, or how it occured , or what caused it
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