Thanks MakingMoves for your presence.
I am happy with you that you have not gone into the path of even claiming to not have certainty of your own existence.
There are inane thinkers who go into that direction and feel that they are oh so smart-behind; have you read what another thinker like you here says about these wastrels, that they should put their nose to their balls and sniff, so that they will ascertain their existence.
Experience, that is the infallible, irrefutable proof of our existence.
Now, please don't go away.
I say that in just five words, we human beings unlike our fellow beings of the what we might call of the animal kingdom, we can and do come to the existence of God.
But first, let you and me think about what entities in the animal kingdom are capable of in regard to existence or non-existence.
They know what is death, but not non-existence, on that matter there is for you and me another most absorbing investigation to engage our thinking prowess on, of course with our investigation never deviating from truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas as we think - but save that for another day.
So, let us we two exchange thoughts on these five words:
"I (place your name here, like for me, Susmario) exist, therefore God exists."
Who and what is the I that exist, namely, you and me?
You and me: with the most ancient of thinkers they already describe you and me and they themselves as rational animals, as distinct to and from, entities of the animal kingdom which is not described by them as rational animals.
Using our capacity to think on reason and intelligence, that is on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, we know that our life and existence is transient, we were not in the universe when it was a new born infant, and we will not be around when the universe comes to what scientists call heat death - unless I am mistaken though, of course not.
We come from our parents who also were transient, and they also came from their parents, and on and on all the way back to the first appearance of our species in the time lines of the animate world.
That brings us to the concept and fact of causation.
There, the I exist means I have come from a chain of causes going all the way back to the first cause.
Yes, there is a first cause, and the evidence of such a first cause is the truth and the fact that we are here, even though in a transient duration.
At this point, wastrel thinkers will pose the objection that infinite regress requires that we not come to a first cause, because they stubbornly insist that infinite regress has as much right to be taken seriously as first cause.
That is a gross error in their wastrel thinking, that is why they are wastrels because they waste their precious and peculiar human faculty of reasoning, by making up false, nonsensical, self-defeating concepts like infinite regress.
It is all in their mind, the concept of infinite regress; so let us leave them to their wastrel i.e. wasteful way of abusing their reasoning faculty, to ask themselves endlessly into yes, infinite regress, Who is the creator of the creator of the creator... until they die the death that is ordained to everything that lives: and that is the end of their infinite regress with their repeating question Who is the creator of the creator of the creator…
Besides, they cannot succeed to find an instance of anything that is into infinite regress when they go forth into the universe to look for one.
So, there is no infinite regress not in their mind because even before infinite regress gets anywhere but never to completion(?), these wastrel thinkers will have died already; and with their death their brain also lapses into extinction: so, no more brain which is the core machine central processing unit of their mind, and also their mind comes to extinction, with the extinction of their brain.
And no infinite regress in the universe either, proof of that is that the wastrel thinkers will not come to any evidence in the universe for the existence of an infinite regress thing.
But there is an infinite first cause which I call the creator and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning; and yes, we have evidence of this first cause, namely, you and I and all sincere, honest, faithful thinkers: we are the evidence for the existence of the first cause, with our being the effect of the causation process.
There, dear MakingMoves, you have the proof for the existence of God, in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
I can talk on and on explaining with words and concepts why these five works, "I exist, therefore God exists," God in concept as first and foremost the creator cause and operator of the universe and man and everything with a beginning.
But as I am certain, Oh MakingMoves, you are not a dull mind, no, you are not one of the wastrels hanging about here to distract readers' concentration and to annoy me but futilely, I am certain at this point you already have that flash of light by which you also have come to the certainty that God exists, as, you and I exist, meaning:
“We exist, therefore God exists.”
If you have any difficulty following my exposition, please bring it up when you write in reaction to my post here.
Happy thinking and writing!
Wait, if you are keen on investigating what is mathematician’s thinking and what is logician’s thinking, and what is plain thinking based on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, I will give you a tip: mathematician’ thinking and logician’s thinking is so abstract, all in the mind of these most cloudy wastrels, they should have written something like “The Cloud of Unknowing.”
When people are always into cloudy abstract thinking all in their mind, they can come up with all kinds of nonsense and imagine themselves to be so smart-behind.
Think about that: plain thinking on truths, facts, logic, and the history of ideas, is keeping our mental feet always planted on the awareness of the nose in our face, or as one poster here with regrettably few appearances here, tells wastrels here to do as to ascertain their existence, to put their nose to their balls and sniff.
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Originally Posted by MakingMoves
I believe Susmario means that the status of things is existence. Not an objective/subjective way of thinking about or seeing something.
Can anyone here argue against existence being true?
Some logical theory of nothing being real.
Life seems real to me.
Susmario, I'm not sure what you're supposed to say when others deny existence. You can't even get going explaining the way to your theory.
I believe I exist. Where do I go from there to get to what you believe?
I've read the thread but am still unsure what to think next.