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02-16-2010 , 02:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
Wikipedia article on anal sex read the article and tell me if the act seems abusive to you. I doubt million enjoy it but rather just put up with it.
Did you even read the article? Second paragraph, first line: "some recipients of anal sex find it pleasurable and may reach orgasm". It even includes a source.
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02-16-2010 , 03:28 PM
Ive always wondered why Christians have such a problem with homosexuals.

Didnt adams children have to have sex with with their mother in order to have kids?

So incest is ok....But homosexuality is?
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02-17-2010 , 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by HowardGrind
Ive always wondered why Christians have such a problem with homosexuals.

Didnt adams children have to have sex with with their mother in order to have kids?

So incest is ok....But homosexuality is?
You can have adam and eve as the first of God's special creation and not have incest.
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02-17-2010 , 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
You can have adam and eve as the first of God's special creation and not have incest.
So you are saying that God could have created other humans for Adam and Eve's children to mate with such that no incest was necessary to perpetuate the species?

He also could have created the universe with a big bang and used natural selection to develop our world to what it is today.

What reasoning do you have to choose one theory over the other?

Last edited by wants; 02-17-2010 at 01:56 PM. Reason: no need to capitalize big bang.
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02-17-2010 , 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by wants
So you are saying that God could have created other humans for Adam and Eve's children to mate with such that no incest was necessary to perpetuate the species?

He also could have created the universe with a big bang and used natural selection to develop our world to what it is today.

What reasoning do you have to choose one theory over the other?
St Augustine, a doctor of the Catholic church, held that the bible should be taken allegorically if it contradicted scientific facts. I believe Pope Pius XII in his encyclical Humani Generis proclaimed the all one must believe is that Adam and Eve were a special creations of God.

Suppose God allowed evolution on this planet. And when Adam and Eve were born He rose them up by giving them a mutation that made them super intelligent compared to the others in their troop. He gave them free will and placed them in the Garden. They fall and are kicked back out into the naturalistic world. They have children who are also super intelligent because they have the same gene as their parents. So while other humans might have been around to mate with, only decendants of Adam and Eve were the special creation of God. Cain might have gone to hell but his wife may not have had an immortal soul.

Descendants of Adam and Eve would have by their nature a huge advantage over non-descendants. Adam and Eve's genes would quickly sweep thru the entire population.
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02-17-2010 , 02:29 PM
maybe ***** are gay cuz if they weren't they would kill themselves. so it is just a survival tactic. imagine being **** but not being able to express it.... you would live a miserable life...

put it this way... what if the world was **** and you are totally straight.. but everyone is ****... **** .. i'd off myself in a second
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02-18-2010 , 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
St Augustine, a doctor of the Catholic church, held that the bible should be taken allegorically if it contradicted scientific facts. I believe Pope Pius XII in his encyclical Humani Generis proclaimed the all one must believe is that Adam and Eve were a special creations of God.

Suppose God allowed evolution on this planet. And when Adam and Eve were born He rose them up by giving them a mutation that made them super intelligent compared to the others in their troop. He gave them free will and placed them in the Garden. They fall and are kicked back out into the naturalistic world. They have children who are also super intelligent because they have the same gene as their parents. So while other humans might have been around to mate with, only decendants of Adam and Eve were the special creation of God. Cain might have gone to hell but his wife may not have had an immortal soul.

Descendants of Adam and Eve would have by their nature a huge advantage over non-descendants. Adam and Eve's genes would quickly sweep thru the entire population.
im not saying that your account didnt happen, but look how much mental gymnastics is required in order to square the bible with what we know about reality. every bit of scientific progress made requires more and more maneuvering in order to make the bible fit.
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02-18-2010 , 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Dying Actors
im not saying that your account didnt happen, but look how much mental gymnastics is required in order to square the bible with what we know about reality. every bit of scientific progress made requires more and more maneuvering in order to make the bible fit.
I'm not saying it happened that way either. However the position of the Church is that all one is required to believe is that Adam and Eve were special creations of God and everyone descends from them. I don't know the details of creation and apparently the Church doesn't claim to know them either. Mental gymnastics are not required....they are merely optional.
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02-18-2010 , 06:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
I'm not saying it happened that way either. However the position of the Church is that all one is required to believe is that Adam and Eve were special creations of God and everyone descends from them. I don't know the details of creation and apparently the Church doesn't claim to know them either. Mental gymnastics are not required....they are merely optional.
Come on stu. Get of the grass mate. You really believe 6500 years ago god put adam and eve on earth took a rib out of adam then gave it to eve, then a talkin snake told eve to eat a apple then we are all going to hell because of this.

You did indeed perfrom mental and literary gymnastics, now why dont you pole vault over to the common sense foam pit.
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02-18-2010 , 07:10 PM
mental gymnastics are not required. STOP USING YOUR BRANE AND JUST ACCEPT THE BIBLE
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02-18-2010 , 07:21 PM
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Originally Posted by 27AllIn
mental gymnastics are not required. STOP USING YOUR BRAin AND JUST ACCEPT THE BIBLE
FYP...

Im trying but I cant help it!
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02-18-2010 , 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
I'm not saying it happened that way either. However the position of the Church is that all one is required to believe is that Adam and Eve were special creations of God and everyone descends from them. I don't know the details of creation and apparently the Church doesn't claim to know them either. Mental gymnastics are not required....they are merely optional.
you are right that they are optional, but they are mandatory if you dont want to take the bible literally. fundamentalists need nothing other than accept everything that is written. but moderates need to interpret the stories, figure out which are metaphors, which are true. it takes a lot of work to interpret the bible; its enormous, it makes a ton of claims, and it's 2,000 years old. the instant you dont take everything literally, you have on your hands a vast amount of explaining to do.
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02-18-2010 , 08:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wants
Did you even read the article? Second paragraph, first line: "some recipients of anal sex find it pleasurable and may reach orgasm". It even includes a source.
Haven't read the article, but it probably also mentions that many straight women and even straight men enjoy being pleasured anally. Of course the same people who are against homosexuality probably want to forbid this also.
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02-18-2010 , 09:02 PM
Whats a theists favourite sex posistion?

Missionary

Gosh their sex lives must be boring.
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02-19-2010 , 05:04 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
I just think the "Homosexuality is natural and therefore moral" argument is a crock.
lol... yeah, people becoming naturally comfortable with themselves is a crock theory, especially in the aspect of personal sexual decisions. Get real, homosexuality is natural in people. It's a harmless, victimless issue that's only an issue because people like you mistake "It's not for me" with "It can't be for anyone." As far as I'm concerned, you should have the same disdain for cigarette smokers trashing the lungs God gave him. Or look down on airline pilots who defy God's intention of limited proximity with airplanes.

What precisely makes homosexuality sans-moral, and not just 'a weird way of life i don't like'?
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02-19-2010 , 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by bonsaltron

What precisely makes homosexuality sans-moral, and not just 'a weird way of life i don't like'?
I think it might be this thing?

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02-19-2010 , 05:14 AM
obv but i'm hoping stu elaborates in laymen terms
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02-19-2010 , 07:04 AM
Hey can do the layman part effeciently, its the elaboration thats that will boggle you. Id keep an eye out for his analogies to, I didnt think someone could be so talentless at thinking.

Im still so in awe, that he thinks that millions of homosexuals just ' put up' with anal sex. I wish I was a mutant and could triple facepalm to that quote.
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02-19-2010 , 08:48 AM
a mutant with triple palms would be unnatural and therefore immoral.
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02-19-2010 , 10:55 AM
Its unnatural for me to brush my teeth so they dont fall out of my head, use deodorant, cut my hair, were clothes....I guess i'll stop doing unnatural things but im going to be a mess.
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02-19-2010 , 01:53 PM
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Originally Posted by batair
Its unnatural for me to brush my teeth so they dont fall out of my head, use deodorant, cut my hair, were clothes....I guess i'll stop doing unnatural things but im going to be a mess.
Grooming and tool use are natural for humans.
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02-19-2010 , 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
Grooming and tool use are natural for humans.
Natural for you, you mean. There are plenty of humans out there who have an aversion to tooth brushing, some of them severely so. They would surely say that brushing ones teeth is unnatural.
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02-19-2010 , 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by 27AllIn
a mutant with triple palms would be unnatural and therefore immoral.
Id probably masturbate 1.5 times more to increase my immorality....
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02-19-2010 , 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by starvingwriter82
Natural for you, you mean. There are plenty of humans out there who have an aversion to tooth brushing, some of them severely so. They would surely say that brushing ones teeth is unnatural.
You must remember that toilet paper is an invention. Im sure cave men didnt mind dingle berries but I need those wet wipes...

Un-Natural and immoral?
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02-19-2010 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Stu Pidasso
Grooming and tool use are natural for humans.
Going alfresco and eating barriers in the wild with our rotten teeth is natural for humans. But i would actually agree noting humans do is unnatural.

Last edited by batair; 02-19-2010 at 03:51 PM.
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