"Religion predates the species and does not appear to have done any significant damage."

The crusades did a lot of damage. As did the holocaust. And the sunni/shiite split. And the western spirit against the wilderness (and its inhabitants) which it taught in the old testament.

err the crusades damage was actually all caused by science which taught humans to sharpen the spears and arrows and swords.

the holocaust damage again, all caused by science in terms of buildings and using gas technology.

same with the others

Gun killings are to be blamed on the bullet and not the person holding the gun amirite?

also lol at humanity thriving during the dark ages

In my country the old followers of the old religions were burned, tortured or drowned if they didn't convert to christianity.

The guy who was behind most of this process was canonized and named a saint.

I guess christians will dine with him in heaven, and those of his victims who refused to convert will be damned for eternity.

Depends what side of the 'argument' you wish to take. =/

What does this book have to say about the atrocities of Jehovah in the inerrant Bible?

not likely, unless he repented

so whats the argument here? science = bad?

its neither good nor bad, its whatever people do with it. you can cure disease, you can blow **** up. by the way, where are the atheist suicide bombers?

For Christians who dislike science here's a simple solution. Strip off all your clothes, go out into the woods and go back to the hunter gatherer lifestyle(no tools for hunting though). The only hard part is you will also have to purge your mind of all scientific knowledge.

People who hold the view science is bad should watch the TV documentary Connections by James Burke to see how entwined their lifes are with science.

1) The 'we' refers only to the two representives of mankind at the time, Adam and Eve. Given your statement, I will assume Adam and Eve did not have functioning brains beyond some elementary level to just sustain the body itself.

2) All knowledge is intrinsically neutral, neither good nor bad. For example, the equation F=MA, or knowledge about the Angiosperm and Gymnosperm type plants and the differences between the two, is not associated with any concept of morality.

-Zeno

lol, yeah, the bible is good at making things up

Caused by science? Is this a level?

You could think of it as a level.

I tend to think of it more as a parody on the ridiculousness of the 'argument'.

and by argument im referring to the one the author described in the op put forward.

1) I meant that they had perfect accord or harmony like we will again in heaven if we make it. I think its a different state not dependent on human knowledge as we know it today.

2) I believe your statement is right on knowledge but we ourselves in our nature are flawed and abuse knowledge all the time. (I think you can compare humans with animals and see that while the instinct for survival can make them appear cruel its not of the same nature as human cruelty at all. There are some humans who take pleasure in cruelty and kill for reasons other than mere survival and I don't think primates display the same level of schematic/Machivellian cruelty that humans are capable of.)

My cats play with mice they catch before the mouse has died. Would you consider this cruel?

In its execution its cruel. But I think the cat's motive isn't cruel.

His motive is curiosity or playfulness. He might not even be capable of feeling the mouse's pain but we can unless we've detached ourselves.

Jeffrey Dahmer is an example of this. He detached himself and became catlike in his cruelty.

Later on in a prison interview he said if he'd had Jesus in his life he'd probably never have committed his crimes.

I think people who stay connected to the love of God are less capable of cruelty.

If you want to know how we reattach ourselves take a look at in action in Psalm 4.

They obv weren't connected.

Or they let somebody else run the show.

People don't ever have to punish someone else for apostasy. We can leave it to God's judgment.

But thanks for putting this generation on trial for the acts of former generations. Real discerning of you!

"I think people who stay connected to the love of God are less capable of cruelty."

You didn't say what generation you were talking about and it shouldn't matter as long as they were connected to god.

I was talking about individuals.

The Holy Spirit indwells in individuals not groups.

If you want to not believe in God go ahead but stop trolling me with your garbage pics.

Individuals that have the Holy Spirit sometime form into groups and do stuff like the inquisitions.


I never said I didn't believe in God or not. And I think that's the first pic I have posted in rtg.

then what's the purpose behind posting it?

To show that people who claim to have the love of God in their hart can be cruel.