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since bible is god's word, why didn't he have it written with such clarity that there is no doubt about his existence and his goals? why have it written in such a way that only few people get it?

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02-19-2009 , 04:04 PM

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since bible is god's word, why didn't he have it written with such clarity that there is no doubt about his existence and his goals? why have it written in such a way that only few people get it?

God prepared everything for those who love him. Its a personal relationship between God and the individual. Both parties have to give some effort or else the relationship isn't a real one just like between 2 people. If one person gives everything and the other one nothing then there's no real relationship.

The tools are all available you just have to care enough to use them with an open mind.

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02-19-2009 , 05:39 PM

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Free will means that when you have a choice to make, you can choose any option available to you, not that you will be able to choose anything at any time. The baby can choose to act however it wants, but its going to be raped because fighting back, etc is simply not an option.

That argument is ridiculous...do i not have free will if i think to myself "i want to fly right now", but cant because humans cant fly?

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02-19-2009 , 05:41 PM

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so why doesn't god make the option of rape unavailable?

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02-19-2009 , 05:43 PM

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because he gave us free will...

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02-19-2009 , 05:44 PM

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because he gave us free will...

Why not add a physical barrier to rape, then, so we don't have the option?

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02-19-2009 , 05:46 PM

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What specifically would this barrier do? I cant think of a plausible way for this to occur

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02-19-2009 , 05:50 PM

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What specifically would this barrier do? I cant think of a plausible way for this to occur

I'm sure God could think of something.

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02-19-2009 , 05:53 PM

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What specifically would this barrier do? I cant think of a plausible way for this to occur

He sends an angel down. Fighting back against the angel is simply not an option obviously. If this is an impediment on free will, then so is letting the child get raped. It's just a matter of whose free will god wants to protect.

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02-19-2009 , 05:54 PM

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I'm sure God could think of something.

well apparently he couldnt...he cant simply tell them not to, as that takes away free will, and no biological solutions seem to work.

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02-19-2009 , 05:56 PM

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a real example please...angels could have the fighting power of a 9 year old girl, i have no idea

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02-19-2009 , 05:57 PM

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oh, and being raped does not infringe on the baby's free will. It has the choice to take whatever options are available to him when being raped, but stopping it is not an option, as he is weak. Sucks to be him, but what can you do.

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02-19-2009 , 06:00 PM

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well apparently he couldnt...he cant simply tell them not to, as that takes away free will, and no biological solutions seem to work.

The whole point is that God COULD have implemented a biological solution and chose not to.

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02-19-2009 , 06:04 PM

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The whole point is that God COULD have implemented a biological solution and chose not to.

like? anything i can think of that he could have done would just mess other things up (mostly reproduction), and would not work effectively.

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02-19-2009 , 06:08 PM

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supernatural rape barrier...you will accept supernatural answers for other things that goes does, why not help out the babies and create a barrier to prevent them from being raped?

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02-19-2009 , 06:09 PM

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It's amazing to me how quick the faithful are to place limits on their god when it suits them to. The proposal is far from a three-sided square.

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02-19-2009 , 06:10 PM

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supernatural rape barrier...you will accept supernatural answers for other things that goes does, why not help out the babies and create a barrier to prevent them from being raped?

i never said i accept supernatural answers for other things...a rape barrier would inherently mess up reproduction, thus cant happen

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02-19-2009 , 06:11 PM

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so why doesn't god make the option of rape unavailable?

If rape did not exist you would be complaining about something else.

What you are actually asking is for God to give us free will without actually letting us choose anything that we do. That is obviously a contradiction and therefore cannot be done.

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02-19-2009 , 06:11 PM

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a rape barrier would inherently mess up reproduction

How?

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02-19-2009 , 06:12 PM

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i never said i accept supernatural answers for other things...a rape barrier would inherently mess up reproduction, thus cant happen

not a problem...supernatural rape barrier is only there in cases of rape, it has no effect during normal sexy time...

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02-19-2009 , 06:14 PM

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The whole point is that God COULD have implemented a biological solution and chose not to.

I will say the same thing as I did to Justin, your request is unreasonable because if it was not rape it would be something else that you would be complaining about.

Just be honest and ask why God does not get rid of all possible evil. But I think that you already know what the answer is, as it is ridiculously obvious.

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02-19-2009 , 06:14 PM

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are you really saying that you prefer to live in a world where babies are raped and you have entire free will as opposed to a world where no babies are raped, but you don't have the free will to choose to rape babies?

surely the world would be a better place if god had put a limit on free will and only allowed mankind 99% free will rather than 100% free will to prevent us from doing horrible **** to each other...

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02-19-2009 , 06:14 PM

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not a problem...supernatural rape barrier is only there in cases of rape, it has no effect during normal sexy time...

because any barrier that prevents rape would have to be there during regular sex too...god doesnt interject in our everyday lives, he doesnt decide what is rape and what is sex.