Has any debater converted you? - Page 4 - Religion, God, and Theology

carlo has expanded my philosophical views and sense of what's important and what is merely scaffolding. Not a conversion, but a little bit of enlightening.

High praise indeed; thanx.

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11-02-2017 , 09:29 PM

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Jibninjas

Stuck in a While loop

Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 11,612

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Originally Posted by well named

Talented?

Also 4 years older than that post now. How the time goes by...

(Mostly I work on Web apps and services.)

Haha, I didn't realize that was such an old post. I mostly focus on mobile. Android and working on iOS. I do some web, been using Angular. I try and stay as far away from server as i can

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11-03-2017 , 08:01 PM

#78

dynamite22

journeyman

Join Date: Jul 2015 Posts: 214

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Originally Posted by Pletho

Lol, you can't get tomatoe juice out of a rock............ I am honest, I know that there are unbelievers and believers and that they exist together.

1. Believers
2. Unbelievers who eventually become believers
3. Unbelievers who will never believe

If someone is #3 it would not matter how much logic and truth you told them, they would never believe. That's why they are called unbelievers. If your in that category, it's not because of something I have said, it's because you were born that way.

And if you are #2 then you will have ears to hear and when you hear the truth you will believe. Some take a long time. Once they've lived awhile and relied on their own belief systems and came up empty over and over or with the short end of the stick, they usually humble themselves and ask for help outside of their own self. And God is always listening and waiting for them to turn their hearts towards Him and call out. But He can't be fooled. He knows the thoughts and intents of everyones heart. So when it's genuine He will make sure they get the exact info they need to believe.... it's that simple and thats exactly how it works....

I honestly do believe that people can turn people away from the truth but I also know and believe that there are lots of bull****ters who blame their unbelief, which is their own responsibility on someone else, and it's just an excuse and a lie.

The bolded is very ironic

What about former believers who have become unbelievers? Or believers who will never unbelieve? If I'm in your category 3 and you claim I was born that way, didn't your God create me this way?

What's this info you tell us about that God provides to people who genuinely turn their heart to him? Could you share some of this info that God provided to yourself or to people you know? How do you know that what you believe is actually true?

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11-04-2017 , 07:07 AM

#79

LucidDream

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No one converts anyone else, you only convert yourself. Everything is God and leads to eternity in the end. By the time you finally convert yourself there's no one there to actually convert. You're simply running around in circles in your mind playing hide and seek, pretending you aren't God and you didn't create all of this to experience yourself.

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11-04-2017 , 05:27 PM

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Pletho

Pooh-Bah

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Originally Posted by LucidDream

Your out there ................ in la la la la land............

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11-04-2017 , 05:34 PM

#81

neeeel

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Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 4,731

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Originally Posted by Pletho

Your out there ................ in la la la la land............

*You're

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11-04-2017 , 08:27 PM

#82

LucidDream

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Originally Posted by neeeel

*You're asleep at the wheel

fyp

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11-05-2017 , 07:11 PM

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leavesofliberty

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So where's the category of believers who eventually disbelieve?

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11-06-2017 , 12:24 AM

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Pletho

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Originally Posted by leavesofliberty

So where's the category of believers who eventually disbelieve?

Can you be unborn? A born-again believer cannot be unborn. When a Christian is born-again, it means they receive holy spirit, sealed on the inside, something that cannot be taken out. Just like you cannot be unborn physically you cannot be unborn spiritually.

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11-06-2017 , 12:33 AM

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leavesofliberty

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Don't ever change bro, haha.

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11-26-2017 , 12:05 PM

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tame_deuces

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I became an atheist in my early teens I think, long before I ever read any atheist debater.

It was mostly subjects at school that lead to my atheism. When the world could be explained by knowledge, my need for religion just faded away. I don't think I ever made some conscious choice to become an atheist. But I grew more interested in understanding the world, and to me religion never really explained anything. And that's even though I had the whole Sunday school upbringing. Still, if I see back I guess I sort of had this notion that religion was more about making excuses for why stuff is the way it is than it was about explaining them.