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I'd prefer it to stop there actually. (Perfect!)

Here's the question: if we take away the bible and other holy books, but we still accept for the sake of the argument a divine being that created the universe, how do we get from that basic premise to all goodness comes from that divine being?

idk. There was my way, but your Way is uncharted.

There is a great difference between awakening to what you already know and someone telling you what you should believe.

Don't presume you are living it by thinking about a series of what if's and constructing an "-ology" in your mind. Unplug. You've already stripped down alot of clutter to get to a simplicity in the question you ask. If you are one with Good, a Wisdom will answer your question, unique to you and yet the same as all. Peace.

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12-13-2009 , 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by ajmargarine

AJ, you continually talk about 'unplugging' from what we know to meditate and reach some sort of higher truth.

If 'we are one with Good, a Wisdom will answer your question'? what does this mean? In any way? What is 'being one with Good'? I want you to actually tell us wtf you are talking about for once. And you are not allowed to say 'Danny unplug yourself and you will see'. Tell us what it is you believe without resorting to spiritual matrix metaphors.

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12-13-2009 , 06:55 PM

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Except you can't know if you've already been exposed to Jesus, if you had never learned about Jesus, would your process have brought you to Jesus?

I'm still unclear what your unplugging means in practice. In buddhism, as I understand it, it means focussing on something so intently that everything else fades away, at least temporarily.

You've said a lot of pretty things, which are pleasant enough, but your process still eludes me.

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12-13-2009 , 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Arouet

but your process still eludes me.

There was my way, but your Way is uncharted. You get your own process, others can only point at stuff that might help you.

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12-13-2009 , 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ajmargarine

There was my way, but your Way is uncharted. You get your own process, others can only point at stuff that might help you.

Well, my way has been well underway for quite some time, but you keep telling me that my way is the wrong way and that you have the right way, which may not be the right way for me but I'm not even sure what your way is?

For example, the buddha went into great detail on how to follow his way of getting rid of the self. Are you willing to do the same? Not that I'm comparing you to the buddha, but you really don't need to talk solely in poetics and can actually speak plainly for a bit.

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12-13-2009 , 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Arouet

Well, my way has been well underway for quite some time (Yes!), but you keep telling me that my way is the wrong way (Am I?) and that you have the right way, which may not be the right way for me but I'm not even sure what your way is? (How can I be saying that I have the right way when I say--there was my way and then there is your Way?)

I'll just copy/paste what I wrote in a pm to Danny:

Just sit with some of these things in the threads in peace and ponder it. You can engage the mind purposefully to ponder some of these simple statements, to consider them deeply and thoroughly apart from all your accumulated beliefs.

Last edited by ajmargarine; 12-13-2009 at 08:22 PM. Reason: my comments in the quote in bold, ldo bbq lolz

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12-13-2009 , 09:12 PM

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Yes, for at least the reason that God has all the facts on which to judge the ultimate good or evil of an action, and Abraham did not. It goes way beyond that however. God, without whose creative purpose not Abraham, Isaac or anyone else would ever be born, is perfectly justified in stipulating the reason for everyone's existence in the first place.

I think so, since absent the will of God good and evil are entirely relative.

You forgot to address the part of my post where I was disturbed.

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12-13-2009 , 10:33 PM

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You forgot to address the part of my post where I was disturbed.

Can't help you there, sorry.

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12-13-2009 , 11:02 PM

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How is it that we understand good and evil, and the differences between?

Why is there evil?

Why is there love?

How are we born with the knowledge between right and wrong?

Apparently some dude made the world, but then a talking snake told a woman to eat an apple and this made the dude mad so he made some changes, and then he gave us free will because he loved everybody (except the egyptians, the philistines, the midianites and the amalekites) and let us suffer for a long time, but after the romans nailed his son to the cross he's turned into a really sweet guy who'll reward you if you accept him without proof.

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12-14-2009 , 04:16 AM

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We're not. If you were to bring up a child in a cage and treat it like you would a monkey, it will grow up to behave like a monkey. All conditioning baby.

so you treat a dog like a human and talk to him in english, and few years later you can have smart conversations like this here with him

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12-14-2009 , 10:01 AM

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Good and evil, love and hate. They're all relative. And even in their relativity, its all a spectrum. I never quiet understood the view of christians on this, if u kill a child to save 2, did u do good or evil? Nothing is simple, it isnt black and white, its gray.

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12-14-2009 , 05:21 PM

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Well, if you heard me, stop right there and forget your next 2 paragraphs. I could have spoken the story as a man went to a teacher and said, "Good Master" and the teacher replied, "Why do you call me good, there is none good but God"...

And then you have the same point without the baggage (matrix of beliefs about Jesus) that obfuscates the point.

This still has baggage. It has the baggage of a God and it has the baggage of a good God.

To unplug from the matrix you would have to say i dont know to both those premises.

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