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03-02-2014 , 02:05 PM
Recently there was a thread which brought to question the concept of the Trinity. This is a lecture given by Rudolph Steiner on August 27, 1922 at Oxford, England. It deserves your attention.

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19220827p01.html
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03-02-2014 , 06:15 PM
Maybe this will help get the thread moving:

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Man must be secretly diseased to be an atheist, for, if he is healthy, his whole physical being will find as it were its summation in the spontaneous inner feeling which exclaims: Out of God I am born.
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03-02-2014 , 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by carlo
Recently there was a thread which brought to question the concept of the Trinity. This is a lecture given by Rudolph Steiner on August 27, 1922 at Oxford, England. It deserves your attention.

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/19220827p01.html
It doesn't strike me as particularly relevant today. His grief seems to be with logical positivism and scientific realism approaches to knowledge, which would have been movements that were at their prime just as this was written.

These are ideals that are fairly out of date today, at least outside the minds of philosophers.
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03-02-2014 , 10:25 PM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
It doesn't strike me as particularly relevant today. His grief seems to be with logical positivism and scientific realism approaches to knowledge, which would have been movements that were at their prime just as this was written.

These are ideals that are fairly out of date today, at least outside the minds of philosophers.
Yes, he is not living now, as this was written 90+ years ago, but you're narrowing the breadth of true understanding to the present, which is specious.

I'll refer again, in which there might be seen a glimmer of an understanding of philosophy, past, present and with some charity, the future; our present.

"The Riddles of Philosophy":

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA018/...018_index.html
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03-03-2014 , 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by carlo
Yes, he is not living now, as this was written 90+ years ago, but you're narrowing the breadth of true understanding to the present, which is specious.

I'll refer again, in which there might be seen a glimmer of an understanding of philosophy, past, present and with some charity, the future; our present.

"The Riddles of Philosophy":

http://wn.rsarchive.org/Books/GA018/...018_index.html
I'm actually somewhat versed on Steiner, I live in the anthroposophic capital of the world and schools based on his principles are common here. So his work is "common" grounds for philosophical history debate (to the extent that such a thing is common) in my neck of the wood.

And no, I didn't mean that understanding could only be gained from the present. I was merely pointing out that the 1922 lecture seemed to protest movements that aren't really all that relevant anymore.
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03-03-2014 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
I'm actually somewhat versed on Steiner, I live in the anthroposophic capital of the world and schools based on his principles are common here. So his work is "common" grounds for philosophical history debate (to the extent that such a thing is common) in my neck of the wood.

And no, I didn't mean that understanding could only be gained from the present. I was merely pointing out that the 1922 lecture seemed to protest movements that aren't really all that relevant anymore.
Basically, his questions are with scientific materialism as he considered that period of time as the apogee of materialism. There is also a flow that the materialism will become more pronounced which in effect denies the human coming to grips with spiritual necessities realized ,which are the individual human's road for growth.

The water we live in, during our times, is very concretized and this is evidenced on this forum, with the addition of definite projection of materialistic conceptions especially from our universities.

Either way, can't do it in short, but I think you'd like the philosophical book which is more of a history of thought from Grecian to modern times.
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03-03-2014 , 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
I'm actually somewhat versed on Steiner, I live in the anthroposophic capital of the world and schools based on his principles are common here. So his work is "common" grounds for philosophical history debate (to the extent that such a thing is common) in my neck of the wood.

And no, I didn't mean that understanding could only be gained from the present. I was merely pointing out that the 1922 lecture seemed to protest movements that aren't really all that relevant anymore.
By the by, the home of the Anthroposophical Society and headquarters is Dornach, Switzerland. I had taken a course in Dornach, and came across some Norwegians and so I guess that makes us somewhat familiar.

Its good to see that there is an active Anthroposophical consideration, especially with the schools, in Norway. Living in the USA, the public school systems are universally condemned, but for the wrong reasons and Waldorf schools are few and far between, much to our chagrin.
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