15. At the Crucifixion

a. Jesus' human nature died on the cross.

b. Only the human person of Jesus, not the divine person of Jesus, died on the cross.

c. God died on the cross.

d. Jesus' human and divine natures both died on the cross, but the universe was kept going by the Father and the Holy Spirit until Jesus' Resurrection.

e. None of the above.


I'm struggling with choosing A vs C. On one hand, I have a hard time believing a divine being can 'die', although Jesus is fully God and He died.

I'm thinking it's not B because the person of Jesus is only one person, yet two natures.

It's not D because the trinity is one.

What do you guys think?

When I was a practicing Roman Catholic, I always believed that Jesus' human body is what died on the cross. So A) would have been my answer. I guess the way I looked at it is that Jesus' body was human, but his "soul" was God.

The idea of a God "dying" sounds a little too weird to wrap your head around. I wouldn't have answered C.

Also, most of the theists on this board are not Roman Catholic, so their reasoning for D) being incorrect (if they believe it to be incorrect) won't apply to them.

The best answer is D imo.

As far as I can tell, the fact that Jesus refers to the Father as "my God" means either a) God has a God, or b) the Son of God is not God. Therefore, the second of these describes the situation.

I think it was e. Only his body died yet escaped corruption but that's just a preliminary...not a final answer on my part.

IIRC from reading Jones on Sheol, people's souls go to sleep in the dust and Jesus is sitting alive in heaven now so neither of his inner natures died. He was raised earlier than everyone else as a reward and pattern.

A is most certainly false; A nature/physis can not die.

The most accurate is that the person/hypostases Jesus Christ died.

I think C is correct, but people should not get the wrong ideas.

Yet do you also struggle in a God that eats and drinks and suffers? I can follow your line of reasoning though.

There's a difference in mortality between the soul and the spirit.

Dr. Jones on "Hades":
http://www.gods-kingdom-ministries.o...ter.cfm?CID=83

E. None of the above, is the correct answer. Jesus Christ was a man, every bit a man as you and me. He had perfect genetics though. You keep using the word divine, but you really do not understand what the word really means. You think it means he was in some way God. But the word basically means "from God".

Please dont quote any of your non biblical definitions of divine that you have learned in Catholic training.

The way in which Jesus Christ was divine, if you want to use it correctly, is that he came from God. God is spirit, and has the ability to create anything. He created a perfect sperm seed, within Mary, when she said "be it unto me according to thy word;".

Thats how Jesus Christ was concieved and is the extent of his divinity, if you want to use that very vague and misunderstood, and misused word.

He was a perfect man, flesh and blood, and he completely died on the cross/tree. He was completly dead, in every way, for 3 days and 3 nights, in the heart of the earth.

The word hell, biblically does no mean the heart of the earth, it means grave-dom, the state of the dead. Which is the state of being, that he was in, biblically.

He was in that state, the state of grave-dom, the kingdom of the dead, where there is no life, no consciousness, called (hell) biblically, for an entire three days and nights. Then he was loosed from that state by his father God.

Psa 16:10 For thou wilt not leave my soul in hell; neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Act 2:27 Because thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption.

Act 2:31 He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

If you do not like it, argue with God.

This topic needs some more spirituality added into the mix...

I'll Fly Away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T-VEg19gnkg