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01-14-2011 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gg911gg
I have a dog. I like the dog and enjoy his company. I throw poor old bastard into fire, because he prefered the wrong brand of dog food.
From this post you do not understand my point.

It is possible that you completely do not understand the good or evil of God's actions as you do not have His perception or understanding.

The dog cannot understand my law because he does not understand the nature of elimination and role of toilet facilities in my home.

However, as a fellow human I can completely understand your perception of dog food preference and the punishment of being burned alive. Therefore if your statement were actually true, I would be able to judge you to be a deeply disturbed and potentially dangerous human.

Do you understand all this now? If not, keep it to yourself so I can preserve some respect for you.
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01-14-2011 , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
One important thing is that in this story God views the Amalekites as sinners.

When Saul and his army kept the "best of the sheep and oxen and the fattest of the lambs - everything, in fact, that appealed to them" God was not pleased because his direct orders were to "Go and completely destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, until they are dead." - 1 Samuel:18

This should be recognized to allow the reader an understanding that Gods actions were because of this very reason, and nothing else. They were sinners.

Debating whether or not you agree with God is another topic. But let it be known that God was doing this with the mindset shown above. So I believe that is worthy enough to exclude God from any "hate crime".

EDIT: Most importantly though is that this is not "implying man should use genocide against man". This is implying that God is the one who can choose to use man to commit genocide against man.
For sure but we should not lose sight of the fact that God could also do the moral thing and give man the power to cure those God thinks defective as opposed to the power to kill them.

That is what a good God would do.

Scripture show God as a genocidal maniac instead of a good doctor.

What would you do with God's power? Kill or cure?

Regards
DL
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01-14-2011 , 05:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RLK
I have a dog. I like the dog a lot and enjoy his company.

I require that the dog urinate and defecate outside, even in the winter in Minnesota. I however do not bind myself by that same law. Is that unethical? Am I cruel and unreasonable by not binding myself by the same law?

Perhaps if you think carefully about the scope of my understanding and that of the dog, and then postulate the same type of relationship between your understanding and that of God, then you will understand why your OP seems so poorly conceived to me.
If you want your dog to emulate you then if he does and does evil, you cannot punish him.

Your scenario is hardly exact or indeed equal.

Regards
DL
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01-14-2011 , 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by RLK
It is possible that you completely do not understand the good or evil of God's actions as you do not have His perception or understanding.
It sure is possible. But I only know what "good" means in human terms. So when I say God's actions are evil, I obviously apply human concept of goodness.

God's concept of "goodness" is meaningless to me, since I don't know what it actually means. It is the same word for different thing. It's like god said there are yellow clouds in heaven and provided a picture where the clouds are of color that we call purple.

Last edited by gg911gg; 01-14-2011 at 06:21 PM.
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01-14-2011 , 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by gg911gg
It sure is possible. But I only know what "good" means in human terms. So when I say God's actions are evil, I obviously apply human concept of goodness.

God's concept of "goodness" is meaningless to me, since I don't know what it actually means. It is the same word for different thing. It's like god said there are yellow clouds in heaven and provided a picture where the clouds are of color that we call purple.
Are you not a descendent of A & E like the rest of us?

If they could know God’s knowledge of good and evil and be as God’s, then God’s ideas of good and evil are exactly what yours and mine can be.

Are we not all children of God. Myth wise that is, and in reality to you.

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DL
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01-15-2011 , 12:34 AM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
One important thing is that in this story God views the Amalekites as sinners.

When Saul and his army kept the "best of the sheep and oxen and the fattest of the lambs - everything, in fact, that appealed to them" God was not pleased because his direct orders were to "Go and completely destroy the sinners, the Amalekites, until they are dead." - 1 Samuel:18

This should be recognized to allow the reader an understanding that Gods actions were because of this very reason, and nothing else. They were sinners.

Debating whether or not you agree with God is another topic. But let it be known that God was doing this with the mindset shown above. So I believe that is worthy enough to exclude God from any "hate crime".

EDIT: Most importantly though is that this is not "implying man should use genocide against man". This is implying that God is the one who can choose to use man to commit genocide against man.
He asked for a verse that resembles genocide because the he said the bible doesn't has any. That resembles genocide.
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01-15-2011 , 01:15 AM
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Originally Posted by RLK
I have a dog. I like the dog a lot and enjoy his company.

I require that the dog urinate and defecate outside, even in the winter in Minnesota. I however do not bind myself by that same law. Is that unethical? Am I cruel and unreasonable by not binding myself by the same law?

Perhaps if you think carefully about the scope of my understanding and that of the dog, and then postulate the same type of relationship between your understanding and that of God, then you will understand why your OP seems so poorly conceived to me.
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Originally Posted by gg911gg
I have a dog. I like the dog and enjoy his company. I throw poor old bastard into fire, because he prefered the wrong brand of dog food.
Very well said.

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01-15-2011 , 04:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am
Scholars have been debating uselessly all parts of the Bible for 2000 years and have gotten nowhere. Ya let's listen to them instead of thinking for ourselves.

Are you a parent?
Do you want your children to end up as less that whatever you are?

Why would you think your heavenly father would want us to be less than he?

A & E showed that way to match God and you would have us do less.

Think.

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DL
The passage you took out of context for your own purposes is actually pretty fascinating. Some scholars view it as the authors of the bible bridging the gap between polytheism and monotheism.
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01-15-2011 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Sommerset
The passage you took out of context for your own purposes is actually pretty fascinating. Some scholars view it as the authors of the bible bridging the gap between polytheism and monotheism.
You hide behind the Bible and ignore my question on your own attitude towards your children.

I have what I wanted to know. Thanks.

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DL
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01-15-2011 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by BigErf
This should be recognized to allow the reader an understanding that Gods actions were because of this very reason, and nothing else. They were sinners.

Debating whether or not you agree with God is another topic. But let it be known that God was doing this with the mindset shown above. So I believe that is worthy enough to exclude God from any "hate crime".

EDIT: Most importantly though is that this is not "implying man should use genocide against man". This is implying that God is the one who can choose to use man to commit genocide against man.
I do not agree that he was not giving man a lesson in morals.

Matthew 5:48
Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in heaven is perfect.

This is saying, do as I do.
There are also many verses that tell us to stone and kill all kinds of sinners including those who disrespect their parents.

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DL
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01-15-2011 , 10:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am
Scholars have been debating uselessly all parts of the Bible for 2000 years and have gotten nowhere. Ya let's listen to them instead of thinking for ourselves.

Are you a parent?
Do you want your children to end up as less that whatever you are?

Why would you think your heavenly father would want us to be less than he?

A & E showed that way to match God and you would have us do less.

Think.

Regards
DL
You're not really posting seriously, are you? Are you a Discordian or just some atheist trolling for fun?

Your misinterpretations of scripture are too over the top to be real beliefs.

Some Christians are reading your OPs yanno....and Christians with the barest grasps of the scripture usually know that even Christ didn't try to grasp for equality with God so why are you on here advocating it?

Christians don't need equality with God and such a thought is an absurdity in our current estate. What we do have is precious enough. We have God's seed in us which he plants through his Word.
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01-15-2011 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am
You hide behind the Bible and ignore my question on your own attitude towards your children.

I have what I wanted to know. Thanks.

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DL
lolidowat?

i'm an athiest, which you might know if you were trying to be part of a community rather than just posting this mastabatory garbage on like 8 different messageboards.

This might be why people on all sides of the question have nothing but contempt for you.

Regards,

blah blah blah
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01-15-2011 , 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
You're not really posting seriously, are you? Are you a Discordian or just some atheist trolling for fun?

Your misinterpretations of scripture are too over the top to be real beliefs.

Some Christians are reading your OPs yanno....and Christians with the barest grasps of the scripture usually know that even Christ didn't try to grasp for equality with God so why are you on here advocating it?

Christians don't need equality with God and such a thought is an absurdity in our current estate. What we do have is precious enough. We have God's seed in us which he plants through his Word.
You have a God seed yet you deny that it is meant to grow. Let it never reach it's natural grown state then. Pathetic.

Answer the question about your children for insight and then go back into your self deprecating box.

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DL
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01-15-2011 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Greatest I am
You have a God seed yet you deny that it is meant to grow. Let it never reach it's natural grown state then. Pathetic.

Answer the question about your children for insight and then go back into your self deprecating box.

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DL
A seed has to go through stages.
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01-15-2011 , 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
A seed has to go through stages.
That is why to are a God WIP. Goddess WIP that is.

Still uncomfortable with that question on your children eh.

No problem. I see your answer in this last one.

Respect is not full but it is growing.

Let me give you this bit of wisdom and I will settle for what I see as your progress.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4I...eature=related

Apotheosis is real and you are on that road I think and hope.

The look on this woman's face indicates that she too is on the right path.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/...Most+Recent%29

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DL
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01-16-2011 , 10:17 PM
Watched 'em both and your point escapes me unless you're making one about psychological maturation. I don't see much that addresses apotheosis in either video. Especially the second video which was just a tangent into the Catholic Church's stance on same-sex marriage.

Good luck anyways.
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01-17-2011 , 02:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Watched 'em both and your point escapes me unless you're making one about psychological maturation. I don't see much that addresses apotheosis in either video. Especially the second video which was just a tangent into the Catholic Church's stance on same-sex marriage.

Good luck anyways.
It is all psychological and mental.
Remember that that is all A & E had to work with to become as Gods.

The look on that woman's face said, this Bishop is full of **** and does not know about a loving God and dares to threaten me.

She is on her way to this following and apotheosis.
FMPOV.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGx4I...eature=related

Regards
DL
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