God gave humanity to Satan as a gift and reward.

God, in the beginning, created all that was. He called it Eden and put adam in it. The lower case adam, means society. God later called us Adam and Eve, to designate and differentiate man and woman. That is likely why creation of man is shown twice in Genesis.

He then gave all of us to Satan as a gift and made him the ruler of this world as a reward. This maintains the illusion that God gave us free will. After all, free will means we are able to rule ourselves so God himself cannot call himself our ruler without negating our free will. We cannot do as we will if we are following his will. This is quite simple to understand.

Satan, the great deceiver, God’s favorite and glorious angel, was then given the power and instruction to deceive all of mankind. This is obviously why Satan and or the talking serpent were in Eden. God does not put a fox in the henhouse without good reason. The reason was to insure that Adam and Eve became as Gods. You will know that the loss of the tree of life is never shown as a loss anywhere in scripture. You likely know why.

Dogma says that God basically lost all control over mankind at that point and the absence of God, which many call evil and hell, attests to this as an irrefutable fact. Evil is definitely on earth and since God and evil is said to never be in the same place, we know that God is no longer here. We are on our own against Satan and his minions. A full third of the angels that God felt were good enough to be with his best, Satan.

Humanity is Satan’s beyond any doubt. He is the master and we are all slaves to sin.
God helps maintain this situation by insuring that all are born with original sin and sets our nature to do just that, sin.

Scripture is clear on these points. The big question is why?

This seems to be the only answer---------

2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

This tells me that we must all sin and repent, to not perish and insure that we are saved.

Colossians 1: 15 Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

It does not take a rocket scientist to dither out that if God were to lose any of us, that would not please him. A God, who had miracle available, would always make sure that his will is never thwarted.

The following type of scenario is then never allowed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3LNL6wKhXA

Those with any sort of faith should know this, but somehow, they follow dogma and a theology that says that God does lose some of us and that somehow, even with all those miracles at hand, Satan and man can thwart God’s will and desire to save us all. This is impossible.

It seems that this bishop is be correct.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

If we are all to be deceived as scripture indicates, and the majority of the world has faith, logic says that if you have faith in Jesus, God or Allah, then your faith is a deception from Satan. Many say that Satan’s greatest deception or trick is to fool us into believing that he does not exist. The opposite seems to be true and that it is God who is no longer here on this evil world.

Doubt is a good quality. It wards of gullibility.

Should you doubt your faith or do you somehow think that your particular faith, whichever it is, is exempt from Satan’s God given power of deception and dominion over you?

Are you so arrogant that you will ignore Gods own prophesy, that all will be deceived, by not judging the God offered by your church?

Do you dare take that chance and not judge your God, by his actions, to know if you follow a moral God or not?

If deceived, how could we possibly know?

I think there is only one solution. That is, compared the two major forms of law and morality on the planet. Secularism and religions.
I follow secular law because Satan has deceived you people of faith because I see that you love to hate, and demand that there be a place of punishment instead of a place to cure those you and your false God believe to be lost souls.

This Gnostic Christian says that God is a good and moral God and he cures souls. He does not torture them. Any that have truly repented of their sins will know this to be a truth and know that God‘s will that none be lost cannot be thwarted. Even in his never ending absence. He will never return because of the fact of our free will. If we are doing His will, we cannot be exercising our free will. God wants free men. Not slaves.

Where is our master Satan then?
In our sin nature.
Where else could spirit entities live?

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DL

stopped reaing here "God gave humanity to Satan as a gift and reward"
There is no god or a satan as a personality it's simply imposible. So given that they can't Give Gift's or recieve gifts which makes further reading useless.

Atheism: no God and no Satan Mhwaaaaahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Lol you just come in here read one sentence, then completely ignore the complete point? Interesting strategy.

You have all evidence to prove that bible is only a book and a good writen story and you completelly ignore it. Not bad strategy either.

http://www.megavideo.com/?d=3D3511DE

Username if you don't read it you won't get it.

Greatest I Am, your post is mostly conspiracy theory lulz and make many presumptions, such as-

I think that every single human being has to evolve as such, and not be guided by someone. All this mess in the world is becouse of religions in the name of god you start wars and stuff like that, so what's the point if god doenst give a **** ? God is everyone and everywhere and going to church or reading bibble doesn't make you better person in anyway.

I agree that it is all fiction but to your "useless".
It is not if you engage with theists to try to help them convert to reality.

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DL

I agree. Everything concerning religion and God is presumption. Everything.

How else, if not by the morality of both systems, can one insure that he is following the best laws and policies?

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DL

Rather Gnostic but essentially correct.

You should know though that as we evolve, we generally build on the older knowledge of those who came before. We cannot help it. There are very few who can constructively add brand new information.

See how our learning evolves.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIAoJ...layer_embedded


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DL

Revelation 20:10-And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet [are], and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

Is this also a gift?

Does it make sense to you that God would convict Satan of something, impose a horrendous penalty, and then defer it for 2,000 years, and give Satan full access to God's new baby humans?

If on earth as it is in heaven means anything, then we should release all the murderers and rapists. That is the example that your God is giving us.

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DL

Why would people need God or seek Him if we lived in a utopia? Without evil we wouldn't be able to see the good in the world. satan doesn't have "full access" to anyone unless the person chooses it. If you aren't for God you are for satan.

Are you referring to the prayer in Mathew 6, "....your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven"? I think you took it out of context.

" If you aren't for God you are for satan ". This is labeling at it's best, that's why we have so much discrimination in the world, there are no god or satan atleast as you know it, there is a god which is all that surounds us and he is everywhere, everything and forever. Therefore Satan = God, given that stop reading bible.

How do u know that I dont know? You haven't experienced my reality on why I think such things. You are claiming that you know all if you say this, which actually means you're trying to play God.

I wasn't labeling, but was simply stating what the Bible says. Thats God's word so your problem is with Him, not me.

I get that a lot. Never clarification. Just the criticism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PK7P7...layer_embedded

"satan doesn't have "full access" to anyone unless.

That means Satan has full access.

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DL

You are the problem. Not your imaginary construct. Always trying to use God as your scapegoat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-2_LqOS3uo

Note how intelligent your comment sounds.


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DL

Would you say this fit's our friend language?

"Whoever imagines himself a favorite with God,
holds other people in contempt.
Whenever a man believes that he has the exact truth from God,
there is in that man no spirit of compromise.
He has not the modesty born of the imperfections of human nature;
he has the arrogance of theological certainty and the tyranny born of ignorant assurance.
Believing himself to be the slave of God,
he imitates his master,
and of all tyrants,
the worst is a slave in power."
--Robert Ingersoll

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DL

I think this is false. Religion is a creation of man that may aid in bringing out the worst in man. But even without religion we'd certainly still be making messes and wars and other such 'stuff.'

Yes and Christianity telling us that a God who uses genocide against mankind is a good God does not help.

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DL

Because of the sin of adam we live in a fallen creation. The bible states that all have sinned. If you continually live in sin you are disobeying God and pleasing satan. But if you turn to the savior and repent of your sins, satan has no say in someones life.

in this respect I think religion is just a tool that has unintended (and sometimes intended) consequences.

Without Christianity we would have politicians finding other methods to lead its people into Genocide. Fear works nice.

I'm of course not arguing that religion has bad side effects (it does). (and we must acknowledge it has good side effects) Only that to blame all the ills on religion ignores the fact that people can be savagely cruel without needing religion's helping hand.

Getting rid of religion would solve some problems, perhaps create others... but all the bad stuff listed earlier would still happen. Leaders would just use other tools to move their people to do bad things.

For the video:

1. You've misunderstood what slavery was like during that time period. People sold themselves into slavery at that time when they were in debt. Slaves also had the option to stay being a slave for their life if they desired. why? Leviticus 25:44-46 describes how slaves must be treated. In Exodus 21:16 it describes how not to treat slaves and it is very similar to how slavery was in the 19th century.

"Anyone who kidnaps someone is to be put to death, whether the victim has been sold or is still in the kidnapper’s possession."

2. The sabbath is no longer a requirement because of the death of Jesus on the cross. Here's an article why....http://www.onthebox.us/search/label/...0Sabbath%3F%22

3. The thing he says about football and being unclean- This verse from Leviticus was for the Jews (not anyone else) and was a ancient Hebrew law. It does not apply to the national football league in the United States.

4. the crops being side by side thing- same as #3

5. burning his mother for "2 different threads"- same as #3

6. Also says homosexuality is an abomination- Yes it is according to the bible, but so isn't one single lie. Searching for a moral standard without God means there is no such thing as an absolute truth. That worldview simply leads to do whatever you want, everyone has different thoughts on what is right and wrong. Morality is also constantly changing in this worldview.

Also these scriptures from the OT were not talked about by Jesus. He talked about keeping all the commandments of Moses, but didnt mention the sabbath. This is the moral standard Christians keep in their worldview.

As I showed, God wants us to sin and repent. Why else would he give Satan full access to his new humans?

As to Adams sin. Scripture tells us to be as God and emulate him.

Is that not what A & E did? Did they not become as Gods?
God says they did. Where is the sin in that?

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DL