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Is God Earthbound? Is God Earthbound?

07-23-2009 , 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by gvl
this is not really what i believe, but i have a lot of friends who are unconventional theists who believe in a 'clockmaker' kind of god. they think that there is a supernatural being that does not exist according to our laws of physics, time, etc. who created the universe and just sort of sits back and watches without any interference or moral standards that he expects us to live by. i've always kind of liked this brand of theism because it conveniently (but obviously not scientifically) can explain everything in the universe by saying god is omnipotent etc. but doesn't place any more importance on earth than other planets and doesn't contain any dogma about belief or arbitrary moral standards. so, from their point of view, god would not be earthbound, because he doesn't really care about the human race any more than he cares about the rest of his universe.
Really?

I thought the extreme diversity of life on Earth shows that there very well could be a good reason for our egocentric fixation on the uniqueness of Earth and its importance in the cosmos.

Nothing on Mars, Venus, etc or any other piece of rock you can set a telescope on that equals the number of life forms on Earth.
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07-23-2009 , 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Really?

I thought the extreme diversity of life on Earth shows that there very well could be a good reason for our egocentric fixation on the uniqueness of Earth and its importance in the cosmos.

Nothing on Mars, Venus, etc or any other piece of rock you can set a telescope on that equals the number of life forms on Earth.
if the universe was made up *solely* of our galaxy, you might have a point. otherwise, you are just being ignorant as usual.
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07-23-2009 , 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Nothing on Mars, Venus, etc or any other piece of rock you can set a telescope on that equals the number of life forms on Earth.
this is a pretty bold statement. i hope you can back it up by confirming that you or someone else has observed every planet and galaxy beyond our own and that none of them contains more life forms than earth.
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07-23-2009 , 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by gvl
this is a pretty bold statement. i hope you can back it up by confirming that you or someone else has observed every planet and galaxy beyond our own and that none of them contains more life forms than earth.
Even if some other planet has more life forms, they won't be human life forms, which is the kind God cares about most since we were made in his image.
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07-23-2009 , 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I suspect this is true. Do you have a cite?
Genesis 1:

27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them
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07-23-2009 , 01:57 PM
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Originally Posted by NotReady
Genesis 1:

27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them
Good cite.
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07-23-2009 , 02:20 PM
do you mean physical image then? because some of the theists on this board seem to mean its his spiritual image (whatever that means)...couldn't there be beings on other planets that share his spiritual image? then the bible passage could apply to them as well...

also, isn't possible that a very near duplicate of human evolution has occurred on multiple planets?
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07-23-2009 , 03:12 PM
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Originally Posted by thirddan
do you mean physical image then? because some of the theists on this board seem to mean its his spiritual image (whatever that means)...couldn't there be beings on other planets that share his spiritual image? then the bible passage could apply to them as well...

also, isn't possible that a very near duplicate of human evolution has occurred on multiple planets?
You could be right that a spiritual being could exist on other planets as well, but if this were the case then I am sure God is paying just as much attention to them. But this is a pretty big "what if" for something that we have no evidence for.
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07-23-2009 , 03:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I suspect this is true. Do you have a cite?
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Originally Posted by NotReady
Genesis 1:

27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Good cite.
except that the cite doesn't say anything remotely like:
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Originally Posted by NotReady
What if I told you the life of one single human being is worth more than everything else in the universe?
pathetic

I think this exchange should just be reposted constantly as what qualifies as biblical support for random theist beliefs. And to show how readily the other believers just agree with anything shoveled at them.
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07-23-2009 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
You could be right that a spiritual being could exist on other planets as well, but if this were the case then I am sure God is paying just as much attention to them. But this is a pretty big "what if" for something that we have no evidence for.
Just use faith. It works for all the other stuff believers buy into for which they have no evidence.
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07-23-2009 , 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Jibninjas
You could be right that a spiritual being could exist on other planets as well, but if this were the case then I am sure God is paying just as much attention to them. But this is a pretty big "what if" for something that we have no evidence for.
20 years ago we had no proof of extrasolar planets, in that breif time they have now discovered hundreds of them. They are starting to get evidence now for life on some of those planets, it's just a matter of time.

http://www.wired.com/science/space/n...8/03/exoplanet
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07-23-2009 , 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by vixticator
Well you see the universe is fine tuned for life on Earth and if anything were changed we would all die.
This is a level, right? Please tell me this is a level.
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07-23-2009 , 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Pletho
The earth is the main focal point, everything else is set up for the earth.
The arrogance of that statement is just mind boggling.
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07-23-2009 , 04:14 PM
"And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: [he made] the stars also."

The greater Light is a star. Why would he say "also" then about the other stars?

"Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night"

Is God talking about the stars here? If so, wouldn't he know that the stars are still there during the day?
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07-23-2009 , 04:34 PM
"The earth is the main focal point, everything else is set up for the earth."

Two fish in a tank were arguing. Pretty soon it got violent and next thing you see them both pretty ragged, gills and fins and stuff scattered over the tank,

"Oh yeah," one says, "If there's no God, who changes the water?"
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07-23-2009 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by EvilSteve
Even if some other planet has more life forms, they won't be human life forms, which is the kind God cares about most since we were made in his image.
humans can't exist on other planets? it's impossible to have an earth-like planet exist somewhere else?

i won't even get into the contradiction of a god 'caring' about the human race when there's so much suffering, genocide, etc.

also here's a hypothetical question; if humans eventually colonize other planets and we run into sentient alien races with intelligence similar to our own, would it be right to 'convert' them to our religions? or would you say no simply because they aren't human and god cares less about them?
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07-23-2009 , 07:39 PM
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Originally Posted by NotReady
Genesis 1:

27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them
If god created man in his own image, then how come we're not invisible?
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07-23-2009 , 07:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Lestat
If god created man in his own image, then how come we're not invisible?
And why do we have an appendix and a tail bone? Does God have a tail?
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07-23-2009 , 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by NotReady
What if I told you the life of one single human being is worth more than everything else in the universe?
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I suspect this is true. Do you have a cite?
OMFG splendour leveled Notready so bad there. That is possibly the greatest level I've ever seen online. Nearly choked laughing.

WP SIR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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07-23-2009 , 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Splendour
I suspect this is true. Do you have a cite?
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Originally Posted by NotReady
Genesis 1:

27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them
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Originally Posted by Splendour
Good cite.
wait.... WTF. Are you guys in on a private joke? I just noticed Kurto's post above and surely we are all getting leveled here?

If this is for real then I am just blown away. You can not be serious.
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07-23-2009 , 08:45 PM
okay, let me explain how many stars there are. i would use scientific notation but that doesn't express the size of this number. there are 10,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 stars. if 1/10,000,000 of those have planets that are, once were, or will be habitable by life,that leaves 1,000,000,000,000,000 planets. that doesn't even count the number planets that already have gone out of existence, just an estimate of currently available, that is 10^15 planets. this is a number i like, because this is roughly the number of words printed in the history of humanity (this is a stat i got from a professor that designed a comm system for the government and used this example, i trust he knew what he was talking about). just think about this, this is a conservative estimate of the number of planets that could potentially have life (since stars can have multiple planets it seems really conservative estimate), imagine if for every word printed there was a planet we had to examine, each one of those with a long lifespan where it could potentially have life. please don't think earth is special.
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07-24-2009 , 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by NotReady
It is so a light. I know this because sometimes it's so bright I can see things in its light.
Kool? So now whenever i look into a mirror ill remember it is actuality a light and every other surface that reflects light is now a light, so basically just about everything is a light.

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Originally Posted by NotReady
What if I told you the life of one single human being is worth more than everything else in the universe?
Then hopefully you're saying there are no other life forms in the the universe. But that brings up the question why create such a immense universe full of worthless and empty space for our little tiny speck of a rock. God must not be into energy conservation.

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07-24-2009 , 06:05 AM
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Originally Posted by NotReady
It is so a light. I know this because sometimes it's so bright I can see things in its light.
This was impeccable logic 4,000 years ago.
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07-24-2009 , 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by NotReady
What if I told you the life of one single human being is worth more than everything else in the universe?
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Originally Posted by NotReady
Genesis 1:

27God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them
I'd probably ask you to cite a source that exhibits a knowledge of the universe beyond what was known to humans 4000 years ago.
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07-24-2009 , 06:30 AM
Does anybody know what level any person itt is on?
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