yes

always has been

Wow, what a brilliant thread, and such brilliant argumentation.

To be fair to the OP, you generally have to be 'alive' before you are 'dead.

Dead or not - God is useful.

God "remains" dead.

And rose 3 days later

"Have you discovered, then, the beginning, that you look for the end? For where the beginning is, there will the end be. Blessed is he who will take his place in the beginning; he will know the end and will not experience death."

Gospel of Thomas, verse 18

Which God?

“God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. How shall we comfort ourselves, the murderers of all murderers? What was holiest and mightiest of all that the world has yet owned has bled to death under our knives: who will wipe this blood off us? What water is there for us to clean ourselves? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we have to invent? Is not the greatness of this deed too great for us? Must we ourselves not become gods simply to appear worthy of it?”

Friedrich Nietzsche

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Nietzsche got me in the mood to read some God.

Twilight of the Golden Cows

Maybe before the universe there was God, and possibly He even existed in physics. We might see Him in the laws of nature.

As far as God being dead if he is beyond life-physics, He is dead only as far as known physics goes, just saying that He doesn't exist in our known universe, that he is not alive (anymore), but dead? I don't know about that.

Nietzsche's words are meant to describe the end of Christian beliefs as he saw it in the late 1800s, and ultimately the end of belief in universal morals and the rise of nihilism.

It's also one of the most misunderstood concepts of modern philosophy, and is very often misused even on these forums. Nietzsche is not saying that belief in God is necessary for moral values, he is saying that attributing all moral values to belief in God will lead to nihilism when this belief ends. The criticism is aimed at Christianity, for facilitating nihilism.

Essentially he saying we need to find moral grounding outside belief in God, or nihilism will rise. Which is bad.

This is of course paraphrased to a level simplicity that probably isn't healthy, but it should be better than a lot of the bad interpretations I have seen thrown around in religious discussion over the years.

Important clarification by Tame. Much of Nietzsche's work is misunderstood or distorted or otherwise mauled, by many intentionally, by others not so much or in an honest attempt at understanding that goes awry. Nietzsche's tone, style, and way of expression is easily misinterpreted. He appears to dissemble but his aim is true. His prose borders on philosophic poetry.

you are greatly decieved.

God is THE WAY, THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE!

Jesus is God of the living and not God of the dead.

Theologically speaking God is dead, according to the new testiment.
Juses is not God. Learn your Bibles.

Hi, Fixupost.

Please cite chapter and verse where the NT implies that "theologically speaking God is dead." And since you begin with the qualifier "theologically speaking", is God alive in some non-theological sense?

Since I don't even know who "Juses" is, it's likely that he isn't God.

It is quite clear that God does not deal with the human world once the son and the holly ghost descend on earth.

"God is dead" does not mean that he is not living. It means that he does not interact with the human world.

Juses is the son, he is part of the "god head", the trinity. Juses is part of God but not God.
( wrong )

Juses is God. The God of the OT is dead. I am finishing my night shift sorry if I make no sense.
You are right but is good clarify what God we speak of.
Yes Juses is God. But not the God from the Old testiment.

I like the argumnet that God dies on the cross. But not Juses, the God that dies on the cross is the old God.

Bible “Whenever the two of you are there, I will be there, I am there.” — it means the gift of freedom. It means, God doesn’t want to play that “up there a guarantee,” it means God entrusts the fate of creation, his own fate, into us. It means what happens here is part of, as it were, the history of God. And […] à propos iconoclasm […]: the prohibition to make images of God in Judaism does not mean this gnostic way “oh it’s too mysterious, we cannot paint it.” It means the exact opposite! It means God is alive not in your stupid deep meditations of up there, but how you act and react with others. And that’s why you shouldn’t make images because it’s not an image to be made up there. And I think, if anything, even more this holds for Christianity. That’s for me what the Holy Ghost is. God is no longer the substantial master up there, God is — to put it in this way — the spirit of our community, the gift of freedom.

I claim, if you don’t draw this crazy conclusion, then whatever you claim to be you re-paganize Christianity. You fall back at that level of “God is up there sending messengers or whatever…” […] Christ is not a messenger of God, Christ is God.

-Zizek.

Something that never existed can't be dead.

You are God.

Probably a hard pill to swallow.