When you were an atheist who believed in evolution, what sort of evidence did you look at? Was it merely the fossil record?

But... he IS a criminal.

Where is Kent Hovind right now? What is he up to these days?

Breaking rocks in the hot sun...

Its a red flag when a spiritual leader/teacher is in the big house.

His claims are weaksauce and his integrity is worse...

I will take money.

Fascinating introspection but I'm not sure how much it has to do with my question about LC having the right to insult who he chooses?

How do creationists have a right not to be insulted? Since I have this dogy and unsupported idea that the religious (maybe not so much these days as Zumby said) have been using 'stop bullying me!' as a way to deflect criticism, and your comment sounds remarkably like that tactic being used, I'm curious what it is about having that view that means you can't insulted for it?

Apparently there was a 'dating method'. Assuming he's not referring to some kind of relationship guidance, I think he's talking about Carbon Dating, and since that's only good for about 50k years I don't think it has anything at all to do with Evolution.

Perhaps he was confused and religion was the simpler option? Goddidit is so much more simple than all that tricky, complicated science.

I generally avoid being flippant but this thread seems like a great opportunity to purge a little

When i was an atheist i somehow believed in science discoveries and i thought that scientist have the evidence , but reality is that evidence they have is just not strong. There evidence proves of bible as much as evolution. I discovered that fossil record is prove of flood, there is big proof in space(for example supernovas, stars), history facts proves bible, there more than 100 science facts that they didn't even imagine in that time. About Jesus there is so much prove from non christian documents

GIG,

I think it is great that you have a desire to know God. However, the angle you are taking here is problematic. If you think science is in favour of Christianity more than other world views please specifically clarify why.

Using the Bible to speak about things that it wasn't intended to speak about is a dangerous theological maneuver.

That the bible is the divine word of an all powerful deity is reasonable, that it contains prophesies isn't? I'm assuming that's what he was referring to.

What was the bible 'intended to speak about'?

He was speaking specifically about "science facts."

It depends on which part you're reading.

But specific to the point here, he said "science facts that they didn't even imagine in that time." That means that no matter what statement is being considered, in order for it to be interpreted as a "science fact" it must be understood in a way that is completely different from what the person meant at the time (because "they didn't even imagine [it] in that time").

Before we go any further here, have you posted in this forum before with a different username?

I know you were being flippant re our new friend but we have various dating methods and can go back waaaaaaaay further than 50k years

hovind followers sure have a type

OP, do you have any opinions on fluoride and toothpaste?

Other religions or what world views? There are so many different religions. How do i know that Bible is the truth? The Book that is from God shoud be:

1)Scientific correct
2)History should be correct
3)predictions should be correct
4)There should be things that people could write

Lets look first at Quran.
1)Science-It tells that sun is rising from water
2)History-It tells that Jesus is not God and didn't die for our sins. Ok, lets look what it says. It says that God tricked people that Jesus died. And that God helped christianity to get all over world and they are the the biggest Islam enemies. And quran says that Jesus gave knowledge and it was lost immediately. The are worship a God that i don't even want to worship because he doesn't really love them+ he cant save hes word.

Ok then lets see about Buddhism. Buddhism was created from religions that say that reincarnation is going something like that-from lizard to ant to wolf to human to bird to God(????) to fox. I think it was invented by people because it doesn't make for me any sense how God can die and turn to animal.
And other religions also have to many mistakes in science and logic.

But Bible supports science(it has 100 science discoveries that people couldn't write at that time) and history supports it wonderful. It predicted really fast increase in knowledge and really fast transport, a lot of history facts and so much more. Also the old testament predicted Jesus and we know that it wasn't written after Jesus because of the scroll finds. Bible is the only truth in my study
And sorry if i offended some other religions or made any mistake. I don't want to offend anyone

Look your self. It is amazing what can Bible tell us about discoveries of 16-19 century for example it tells that heath is round and that moon is going around it and that Earth goes around Sun. It tells that there are as many stars as sand( scientists now think that there are as mans stars that every man can own 11trilion of them and soooo many more. And there isn't any errors in science. Exept questionable like birth of virgin woman

Ok, about dating methods. Carbon 14 dating proves Bible
watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z43s4tx9CxM at about 7 min
Lava dating is not right and Kent Hovind talks about that

oh boy, time to play 'guess the sock account' again?

I cant help atheists to believe in Bible, because a lot of them don't want to listen. Thats job of Holy spirit. My job is to remove all rocks in the road. But i just want you to look at math. Even if your right 99% of time and i'm right 1% of time. Is it worth taking the risk. If your right you die and even don't know that. If i' m right you get to hell for unlimited time. Just think about it!!! Thats still not a good gamble!! Study your faith because a the most serious thing. Just trying to open your eyes

Sorry, don't understand

Give us your number one proof that the god of the bible exists.

You are assuming its the christian god or no god at all, this is a flawed assumption.

Also, if you don't know that Hovind is a fraud than I doubt you are doing it right.

Thare are so much proof. But number one is this. You know the story in the Bible about Moses red sea crossing to free the slaves. They found Egiption weopons and carriages from the exect time and it is under water. I can't explain this. + one scientist proved that you can cross there + that water can really be removed like it says in Bible


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXf2IDS-9g0