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Originally Posted by uke_master
"irreparable physical damage" is essentially a deepity. It is trivially true that the actual tissue is being damaged. But the implication of your posts is that there is something wrong with this, that some form of larger damage to the person occurs.
Of course there is something wrong with it. I'm almost certain no court would allow parents to circumcise their 16-year old son without his consent; the same should be true of an infant. And until such a time when a person can give their consent we should avoid lopping off body parts for no good reason.
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This is where you have failed ITT, and indeed as far as I can see the circumcised person is more or less exactly the same and suffers no physical pain or suffering or emotional turmoil or anything of this nature in adulthood. Certainly not at a sufficient level of suffering to justify banning it. Pointing out that something has been "damaged" because it has been removed helps you in no way.
Again, the ban on circumcision is basically no different than the banning of tattooing of infants (which would happen if it was a common occurrence). Your societal premise does not work because I'm not arguing on those grounds. I would be in favor of banning the aforementioned forehead swastika tattoos you mentioned earlier, even in a society were it was prevalent.
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Originally Posted by uke_master
so? Almost all the stupid things parents do that provide some small risk to their children are not "medically necessary" but I don't want to ban any of them. Again the burden of proof is bejng massively confused, I don't have to prove there are huge benefits, you have to prove there is huge harm sufficient for an extraordinary ban.
No. The default position is to not cut off a piece of your child. To do so should require proof of sufficient benefits, and until this is done the practice of circumcision should not be allowed.
Last edited by asdfasdf32; 07-09-2012 at 12:38 PM.