To hold or accept consciousness is to transcend consciousness since the impulse to reject consciousness (fall asleep in unconsciousness) is ever-present. To transcend consciousness is to transcend the dualities. To transcend the dualities is the path to wholeness - the path of Christ.

I think that is the end, which is the beginning.

Abraxas is the eclipse. What is beyond the eclipse is the Light, or the Kingdom of Heaven. The Light is the highest version of God.

Jesus uses “Father” more often than he uses “God”. When he uses God, he seems to be referring to the good side of the duality (eg: “Only God is good”). When he uses Father, he seems to be referring to Abraxas and/or the Light.

Gospel of Thomas saying 50:

Motion and rest = transformation and rest

Someone who transforms (grows, evolves, etc), rests, then transforms, and so on -> evidence of Abraxas, who is the impetus for transformation

And from John 10:17-18

“The reason my Father loves me is that I lay down my life—only to take it up again. 18 No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again. This command I received from my Father.”

Symbolism
Symbolism is more fundamental than narrative. If there is a mismatch between symbol and narrative, it is the narrative that needs correcting.

Experiences and ideas (which are articulated experiences) are associated with food/drink (appealing) and serpent/snake (repulsive). Similarly, sources of ideas can be represented in the same way.

Back to Genesis
In Genesis 2-3, I previously mentioned that the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, or more accurately the Tree of the Knowledge of Duality, represents Christ or the Son of Man. The traditional narrative says that a serpent manipulates Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, which violates the serpent symbol. Eve would not be moved to action by that symbol.

Now, the idea represented by the fruit in the narrative is associated with an experience of death avoidance:
“You will not certainly die,” the serpent said to the woman. “For God knows that when you eat from it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil.”

Punishment is associated with pain which is associated with death. Both Adam and Eve were traumatically punished and therefore the promise of death avoidance would likely be interpreted as a lie by Adam and Eve. With this realization, along with the symbolic associations described previously, someone can begin to uncover the real story.

Why are you the one elucidating and delineating the mind, nature, texts and system of god? I'm asking you that, and you ask yourself that. If there is a good answer, you will increase followers for sure, including many skeptics.

The male has access to the Logos and the Gnos. The Gnos is through which he is called by the Father. He then uses the Logos to reject the empty food and to discern which snake he should hold up to the sky and transform into food. That food becomes the food that fills. What we believe in is what we feed on. What we feed on is what we become.

I was called, became male, and fed on what I believed in.

That's poetic and a waxing religious. Can't you identify religious sophistry even when it exists for countless religions? In actuality, you have a driven need to certain, to be protected, to be loved, to act like you not only have the answers but that they are infallible and straight from the almighty personal god of the universe (who didn't know squat about the universe in his word). It's an enormous existential anxiety which underlies and creates this kind of delusion. "I'm one of god's gifts to the universe telling how it is in our Divine Club"... I never come right out and say this I just live it constantly. It's a coping strategy, a defense mechanism, an anti-anxiety device. The deeper into the cult that we get, the less we can see it, the less we can see anything but the dictates of the cult.

Let’s agree that one of us is too sloppy, over compensating, and fortifying order in an unwise way.

This is great. I'm glad I found this.

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Obviously everyone is free to practice their chosen religion, and free to practice uninsulted over it. My intent is not to insult. It's to try to get some kind of comment out of any given true believer that reflects some meta awareness of what they are doing. That maybe it is a driven spiel coming from forces within latching onto a cultural meme instead of a pipeline from/to some almighty being.

Just finishing a great book. Three of my favorite religious writers are de Chardin, Evelyn Underhill, and this guy, Paul Tillich. The book is "The Courage to Be." It's a profound treatise on what people are doing with religion, what internal purposes it serves, and how it relates existentially to being. He cites atheism and existentialism as the proper rebellions to what he calls "theological theism," that being this preposterous idea something like "I have intimate knowledge and revelations from the one and only true god, who is supernatural."

Religion, as commonly practiced, and as I once adopted it, is about a lot of things. But critical to it is existential anxiety and its redress via the perfect omniscient, omnipresent god who loves me, saves me, and gives me eternal life. No doubt that sounds like a pretty good deal. It also sounds remarkably like a myth and a fairy tale.

Look, you are living too much in the past. You clung to your religion too long, and you got punished with a reality check that traumatized you. You cannot redeem that by being in reaction to it.

There is a movie I watched a while ago called ‘Prisoners’ that deals with this topic. It’s really well done in that it is sufficiently disturbing.

The anti-hero over compensates for the failures of the past, naive version of self. However, the anti-hero is also the precursor to the hero. There is no middle option. When people get stuck, it’s because they are unable to both let go of the past and reject the half measures.

The anti-hero sees the worst in humanity. The hero sees what the anti-hero sees but still chooses to reconcile with humanity even though the price for that decision is death. It is unfair and unjust, but the only true and real hero is the Messianic Male that voluntarily chooses martyrdom.

Everything else is a non solution and in reaction to the past.

Cain, Abel, Seth, and the Second Coming

If you experience a great loss and do not grieve, then you risk getting yourself stuck. Grieving is associated with feeling and integrating painful truths. Humanity is more and more beginning to wake up to the reality that we are stuck despite the progress we have made in various areas.

The highest purpose of the Bible is to help humanity realize the Grand Narrative (GN), so that we can live it properly. However, revelation is continuous and the Bible is incomplete. Because of this, there are key parts of the GN that have yet to be integrated, and since progressing within the GN depends on accepting every aspect of it, the result is the current situation.

Genesis 4 is the story of Cain and Abel. In the story, Abel represents the ideal who makes the right sacrifices and is favored by God. Cain contrasts Abel and feels oppressed and mistreated. Cain kills Abel and is sentenced to living as a “restless wanderer” whose efforts in the world won’t return the desired results.

To kill the ideal is to close yourself off from the Living Spirit, or Holy Spirit, and to close yourself off from the HS is to kill the ideal. It is one and the same. This story is part of the GN. That means that it is part of our individual story if we want to progress and not stay stuck.

The part of the story that is missing or at least not explicitly stated in the Bible is Cain’s repentance and grieving for what he did. After the Cain and Abel story, the Bible promises a replacement for Abel in Seth. Seth is the line that leads to Christ. Seth can be thought of as the Second Coming and he represents the idea that no matter what we do, the HS will always be accessible and the ideal cannot be destroyed and is always waiting to be actualized.

Around 2000 years ago, humanity suffered a great loss where the ideal man was killed. While he was born into a tribe that had its enemies, it was largely at the hand of his group, his own brothers, that he was killed.

Since that time, many Christians have been hoping and waiting for the Second Coming, with the intuitive sense that this is how the GN unfolds. Yet, almost two thousand years later it still hasn’t happened. Stuck.

We are stuck because we haven’t repented and grieved. We haven’t repented and grieved because we resist and reject the Cain and Abel story. Even though we live as restless wanderers, we refuse to directly associate with and accept the full Cain experience because our faith in the GN is still too weak. As a result, Seth and the line to the Second Coming remains un-actualized.

I will grant that Christianity "sounds like fairy tale." A small number of things seem like fairy tales, but actually aren't fairy tales. Fairy tales virtually never lead their readers to build beautiful cathedrals, compose beautiful music, paint beautiful paintings, sing beautiful songs, create charitable organizations, give meaning and purpose to people's lives, and so on and so forth.

If a lie can produce all of those things I listed above, then Truth isn't nearly as valuable a commodity as we think!

Have you ever studied ancient Babylonia?

Not much. They were quite wicked, as I recall.

That's what I thought. You really should attempt to expand your knowledge of history and the human race. It's pretty amazing what you'll find.

Knowing history ("His Story) is a wonderful thing. The Holy Bible describes the origin, purpose and destiny of mankind.

What does it mean to love God?

There is a version of God (often referred to by Jesus as the Father) that resides in Heaven and a version of God that resides in Eve’s world of the counterfeit paradise. When Jesus commanded to love God, he was referring to the God in Heaven which is why he interchanged the aim with seeking the Kingdom of Heaven.

We have access to the masculine and the feminine. Only the male can love the God in Heaven. To love this God is to go on the Hero’s Journey and experience anxiety, dread, etc. Loving the God of Eve’s world is a move towards the feminine which alleviates anxiety and suppresses fear, dread, doubt, and the male in general.

As more and more people are seeing the truth of Eve’s counterfeit paradise, Eve’s version of God is losing its standing. This is how the story is supposed to play out.

Is there any justifiable argument you can make that would convince a reasonable person that the above statement is true?

Good luck.

lag, I understand you've relieved yourself of the the forum for a bit. But, I think you deserve that I be perfectly clear.

I have been searching for truth for 40 years. I've believed many "truths", from many people, who wanted to teach me the "truth".

If I may be honest, you really suck at what you're trying to do. Maybe you'd be better served selling tires.

We've heard all this bullshit before.

At the end of Genesis 3, the tyrant occupying the god position communicates the quoted message. Because he is in the god position, it is understandable why this message has been assumed to be from God. The conclusion is naturally that God must not want humanity to seek out eternal life. That conclusion depends on the assumption that whoever is occupying and speaking from the god position must be God. This assumption is taken as the foundation in which everything else stacks on.

However, this is a mistake. God is associated with life, so the foundational assumption should be that God wants us to seek out and eat from the tree of life. From this perspective, it becomes clear that the enemy has access to the god position. As the quote makes clear, there are multiple beings with access to the god position. Chaos.

For anyone who objects to the idea of a “god position”, I would encourage you to consider whether or not you have perfect conscious control over how you live. If not, then whatever else is controlling you I am referring to as the god position.

And maybe God is just watching -- to see what happens.

“No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them”

God is the subtle call for the male to reject Eve’s counterfeit paradise, eat the forbidden fruit, confront the tyrant and take control of and bring order to the god position.