As we kill the meaning using hatred, we will more often encounter nihilism and feel meek and impoverished. We will also feel shame, guilt, and, from time to time, suicidal ideation. This will cause a recoil back into re-absorption with the external and unconsciousness. When we next become jolted back to awareness, we are to use the self-hatred resulting from our sin to kill more counterfeit meaning. This sends us back toward the nihilism, shame, etc that we escaped from before. A feedback loop.

To continue to consciously participate in this feedback loop requires that we sacrifice our victimhood and our identity as a good person. Still, we will get stuck. We will guard against getting sucked back into unconsciousness, but at the same time, we won’t be capable of dealing with the intensity of the nihilism, shame, and suicidal impulses.

Advancing beyond this point requires that we sacrifice our atheism at the level of personal, direct experience (our intellectual beliefs are irrelevant). As we slide down into the nihilism, we also have access to the cosmic, contemplative mindset. This is where we are to re-establish our connection to the personal God, put him on trial, and judge him negatively.

As previously mentioned, when we judge God, judgment gets flipped back on us. More specifically, self judgment becomes more conscious. However, there is now some space between our awareness and the judgment; space and distance that was previously nonexistent. People who bring up mindfulness and watching your thoughts have gotten to the point in which they have created this space.

So, kill counterfeit meaning -> descend into nihilism -> judge God. Again, God will judge us back for our un-actualized potential. We are to try to take away that defense which begins the quest for status and moral perfection. That sends us back into the external world where we achieve, find it unfulfilling, and are back to killing counterfeit meaning - the beginning of the cycle.

Instead of understanding this as a super hero god war, as you obviously do, and is as obviously as fictional as all super hero battles, why don't you try understanding that the very formulation of the religion as is a fatherless/father-loss compensation and projection? Man has created his perfect father in the sky because of the lack of actual fathering so rampant and raging in the psyches of men. If the religion wanted to get close to being real, it would grant motherhood this superpower of creation. Instead, in pandered to the misogyny and bigotry of the society where it was created.

Yeah, because you have faith and the magic Jesus standing in for you. Who, BTW, tells you to be a humble wretch and not to be competitive about being better than anybody. Or did you forget this in your actual bullshyt religion of "You are going to hell and I'm not and I'm better than you."

Anybody who understands the Gospel would be among the first to rebuke anyone who asserted the bolded.

As a Christian, I recognize that I am a sinner saved by grace. Nothing meritorious on MY part contributes to my salvation.

I am BETTER OFF than someone who has not received Christ's free offer of foregiveness, but I am certainly not BETTER.

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Christendom is built on top of the story of Adam, but that story is no longer worthy of the Jesus story. Abraham did what Adam could not - broke the old covenant and established a new one. The true story of Jesus is stacked on Abraham’s story, not Adam’s story.

As individuals, we are called to participate in each story (Prodigal Son -> Adam -> Abraham -> Jesus). Jumping from one story to the next requires that we break our existing covenant. Most of this thread I have spent breaking down how to go from the story of Adam to the story of Abraham. Those who are of Abraham have ears to hear and eyes to see that those who are of Adam do not.

It would be hard to find any belief more chimeric or fanciful than: "My father is better than you're father, your father is my super hero father's bytch. Thus, I'm better than you."

LOLOLOLOLOLOL. It's always kindergarten Sunday School stuff at the bottom of religion ... beneath all the blather sophistry. "My supernatural projection super hero father is great, and it comes down to faith in him." That is not sound philosophy. Not quite. It's more like grade school squabbling.

You got it wrong. I meant what I said in the deepest and most sincere way.

The Prodigal Son story can be interpreted as the individual taking ownership over their meaning. In the story, even though the PS fails in finding fulfillment, he is rewarded and elevated for going through the process. This interpretation is disguised within the traditional interpretation purposely since Jesus was teaching at two levels, and the two interpretations are in opposition to each other.

The Adam story is about the struggle of rejecting the known for the unknown: world for Heaven, flesh for conscious mind, external for internal, narrative for (meta) Narrative, etc.

The Abraham story is about acting out the Hero’s Journey, and it’s about self discovery.

The Jesus story is about union, or two becoming one: God and Man, Heaven and Earth, matter and consciousness, etc.

While the stories contain much more, and there is overlap, these can be considered general themes. The stories stack, so the subsequent stories contain the previous themes as well.

Wow. Maybe you really are god's gift to theism. You are proclaiming, deciphering, interpreting the mind of god spectacularly. Either that or you are blindly espousing a cult.

The odds are millions to one in one side's favor. DUCY?

So since genesis animals have been attacking each other, and man, for food. Why did god set it up this way when obviously living beings did not have to be food for other living beings? Is it possible that this is nature's hand and not a divinely wise god? With this system, alligators attack, eat and kill children in Florida; mountain lions attack kill and eat hikers in California; bears attack and eat human beings; and for that matter, microorganisms attack and jeopardize human beings. Why did Jesus set it up this way? Is it the mystery of god thing? Something else? Is it just possible this is a natural development and not the mind of god?

Millions of people have put themselves through what I have described? Stop trolling.

Lotsa luck with THAT request.

We can simplify the objective as a journey from point A to point B. Point A is like a black hole and point B is paradise. We are to use meaning and truth as guides to B. Consciousness elevating forms of meaning and truth get us closer to B. Low or unconscious forms of meaning and truth keep us stagnant at A.

Episodic memory is a category of long-term memory that involves the recollection of specific events, situations, and experiences. The black hole will use episodic memory to disguise currently low conscious forms of meaning and truth as high conscious. It can do this because that meaning and truth was originally experienced as high conscious, so the association is easy to maintain by simply projecting the memory onto the real time experience. In other words, the meaning and truth that originally moved us closer to point B becomes what keeps us stuck at point A.

Again, hatred is capable of killing meaning and truth. The meaning and truth deprivation frees us from the unconsciousness and bondage of the black hole. However, when we kill the meaning and truth of the past that is keeping us stuck, we are also killing our identity that has been built on top of that past. This will provoke strong feelings of fear and anxiety. Hatred can kill those feelings of fear and anxiety also, so that we can do what has to be done.

No. BILLIONS have traversed some fabricated sophistry concerning any countless number of gods, like you have, imagining it was the true understanding of the nature of the one true god. So by definition it is all dubious. Troll that.

Jesus came as a child to make us all children of god ... as a metaphor, as a poem.

Not EVERYONE is a "child of God" Only believers.

Everyone is a CREATION of God, of course.

You are just like them and serve the same entity that they do. You don’t know what’s true and what’s real because you haven’t called on the purifying fire and made your stand. Your truths and your reality are imposed on you by the entity that keeps you blind and at the surface level.

My perception of how people use forgiveness is that they make it either an act of blocking out the transgression or as a sort of pulling back. You have to tune in to catch the latter, but if grievance takes us one layer deep, then commonplace forgiveness is often a quick, subtle move of disassociation + suppression.

Forgiveness is exponentially more valuable if we don’t pull back from that deeper layer of grievance and condemnation. Instead, we should use our willpower to hold that position (not get hijacked by revenge fantasies, etc) until something redemptive reveals itself in the person we seek to forgive. It’s important that we hold ourselves to the practice until redemption is revealed and not artificially created by our own doing.

Doing this right will not be a pleasant experience. It will always be a struggle to overcome the resistance to it. We should not be discouraged if we can only hold ourselves to it for a few moments of regular occurrence since even that small amount is significantly valuable compared to never doing it.

As we develop the self mastery to make this type of forgiveness a regular practice, we can add even more value by becoming more aware of our judgments about other people and to not be so quick to turn the page after condemning. It’s not practical to forgive deeply for even a sizable fraction of our judgments, but just the act of noticing and pausing when we identify something off-putting in the behavior of others is beneficial.

All of this will train our awareness to stay engaged with our conscience when we are in self-judgment. It will also allow us to face and persevere through the places of shame and guilt that are part of the path. The more we practice, the less that we will turn away when our individual development gets challenging and lose valuable time. These are all faith moves, so it’s practiced within that context and we should measure the state of our faith largely on how often we do these difficult acts.

Oh, thanks for the information. Tell me: Does any of this directly above from your divinely inspired pen resemble cult spiel? At this point, I'm starting to think you aren't for real. I'm a little late with that postulate because I know how fanatical and zealously irrational many of the religious can be. But refusing any meta perspective on oneself and one's own fervid doctrine = no mind. Mind is open, mind realizes what it knows and what it doesn't, what is separate from its inherited belief system yet real. An incessant miming of doctrine has no such ability. And why would he need such a thing? God is spoon feeding him the ultimate truth. Not much skepticism is needed for such chosen ones of god, be they of countless sects and religions and belief systems.

The Sacraments: We ritualize before we act out the story. We act out the story before we consciously understand it fully.

Baptism: Entering into the Adam story; eating the forbidden fruit, breaking the existing covenant, and falling into Nihilism

Eucharist: Entering into the Abraham story; eating flesh and drinking blood; hyper-masculine; killing counterfeit meaning and truth using the fire; meaning + truth deprivation

Confirmation: Undeniable sense experience with capital ‘M’ Meaning that we desire; justification for our previous actions

Reconciliation: First meaningful union with Meaning (the Bride)

Baptism #2: Entering into the Jesus story; breaking the existing covenant (Abraham) and falling back into nihilism

Eucharist #2: Burning of counterfeit meaning and truth from Abraham story

Anointing of the Sick: Suffering, hardship, deprivation; faith stretched to its limits; “To whom much is given, much is required”

Marriage: Bridegroom is deemed worthy by the Bride

Ordination: Entering into Kingdom of Heaven; Union of Bridegroom + Bride

Well, we are certainly fortunate to have yet another expert in the ways and mind of god.

Stop trolling. Your commentary is useless. Start your own thread with your commonplace perspective.

FellaGaga was blogging to himself sometime back.

Ever notice he never actually engages the CONTENT of your posts?

His comments are mostly pseudo-intellectual blather.

Yeah. Tag team liars for Christ. Talk about common.

When all you have are simplistic categories, and you can’t be wrong, then projection is inescapable and new understanding is impossible. It’s human nature, so I’m patient with it to a certain point, and these topics require patience and tolerance, but it’s gotten ridiculous with him.