No atheism just allowed the civil rights abuses by the controlling governments and provided the targets thru bas relief.

Read The Lost Executioner to see how the unforgiving nature of karmic debt exacerbated things for the Cambodians under the Khmer Rouge.

No, atheism has nothing more to do with doing something than disbelief in Santa Claus does. Karmic debt has nothing to do with atheism. You cannot get from 'I do not believe X exists' to 'I should do Y' without adding something.

Communism didn't originate from the isolation of your proof.

It originated from the mind of an atheist.

Wiki on state atheism:

State atheism has been defined as the official "promotion of atheism" by a government, typically by active suppression of religious freedom and practice.[1]

State promotion of atheism as a public norm was first practised during a brief period in Revolutionary France. Only communist states and socialist states have done so since. State atheism may include active opposition to religion, and persecution of religious institutions, leaders and believers. However, whether such persecution was truly motivated by atheism is disputed by others.[2][3] The Soviet Union had a long history of state atheism,[4] in which social success largely required individuals to profess atheism and stay away from churches; this attitude was especially militant under Joseph Stalin.[5][6][7] The Soviet Union attempted to suppress religion over wide areas of its influence, including places like central Asia.[8] The Socialist People's Republic of Albania under Enver Hoxha went so far as to officially ban the practice of every religion.[9]

Comrade Duch:
http://www.time.com/time/asia/asia/m...712/duch1.html

Whether or not communism was originated from an atheist is irrelevant. In the example you cited, it is the 'oppression of religion' ideal that is a problem (among other things), not atheism. That has to be added somewhere as it is not a direct result of not believing in any gods. One cannot get from 'I do not believe a god exists' to 'I should persecute those who do believe a god exists' anymore than you can get from 'I do not believe Santa exists' to 'I should persecute those who do not believe a god exists' without adding something. You can, however, get from 'I believe the Bible is authoritative' to 'I should do what is in the Bible' without adding anything. Actions are based on what people accept as true, not what they do not accept as true.

Didn't Jesus promote communal sharing of property.

The fact that civil rights wete trampled on had nothing to do with atheism. Atheism is not a philosophy. It offers no instruction on how to treat people, create a society or run a government. Cruel people used the power of government to impose their will, but did not derive their behavior from atheism. The people of those countries also did not decide to stop believing just because their government outlawed religion. The government had to control the people with the threat of force. Religious leaders historically controlled with the manipulation of the mind. Religious governments have destroyed human rights. The bible itself that you apparently follow has countless acts of human rights violations committed by so-called religious people.

We have a secular government, not run or controlled by a religion and for the most part its citizens' rights are very well respected. Religious entities make terrible governments. The catholic church is arguably the mpst corrupt political institution of all time. It's easy to have a civil society when religion OS kept out of government, because if the people you rule believe you're God, or speak directly for God, there is no end to how you can manipulate them. This is precisely why so many historical leaders ( eg Japan, Britain, Greece, etc) claimed to either be divine or have a direct appointment from God himself. It lent a greater sense of legitimacy and offered them more power since the religious mind is so gullible an susceptible to manipilation.

I am confused. If God is all knowing why should talk to Him?

Do you mean...If He knows our thoughts why should we bother talking?

Prayer can be done without opening our mouths.

Sorry if my answers are still not there. I will try again if needed.


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BTW, Christianity is not a religion. It is simply believing that Jesus Christ died for your sins and confessing it with your mouth. Christianity is following Christ not any religious practices per se'.

I am not affiliated with any religion...nor will I ever be. Religion divides people. Christ had more harsh words for those in religion (pharisees) than anyone else. Christ wanted believers to be one. Sigh to that not being the case in America or anywhere else for that matter. USA alone has ~ 250 religions.

BTW, has anyone read the Case for Christ book(s) that I shipped? If yes, thoughts?

so you can be a christian and still sin all you want? such a deal.

Lol, sorry, you don't get to make up your own definitions of words. Christianity is a religion whether you belong to a denomination or not. Spend a little time with a dictionary in addition to the bible.

I am going to read it, but most of my questions will prolly be directed at the atheists.

Actually, that is literally what I thought to. Then, the Holy Spirit helped me to realize that repentance and the desire to do what is right is much greater than the alternative.

Yes, I still sin. The difference now is I hate it...and hate to see it working through me. It sucks. But, it is so freeing to know that it has all been paid for by Christ.

Those that are in Christ Jesus are without condemnation. Those without Christ Jesus stand condemned already.

Those that sincerely have received Jesus as Lord strive to live a clean life in spite of the cloak of a sinful body.

Technically, I cannot disagree with you. I am not here to split hairs or argue meaningless definitions of words according to what Webster says. The word "religion" was never in the original scriptures. Unfortunately, later translations put the word in.

No denomination or religion for me. Jesus Christ did not create a "religion". Do I attend a church on a regular basis? Absolutely. There is no such thing as the lone Christian. We all need each other. Christ called us to community.

Religion divides. There are so many churches/people that say "Our way is best" within the Christian faith. Christ called believers to be one. I find it absurd that so many people claim to be believers in Christ and argue about how to/where to/etc. It's meaningless babble that takes away from what is important.

This very thing drives those that are interested in knowing the truth about Christ to search elsewhere.

Anyone else want a copy?

Read Romans and I believe 1 John. We are saved from all sin and will continue to screw up until Christ returns or kills us. We are being sanctified everyday though to become more like him. Christianity is actually a messy long process but thats the whole point of the Cross. No where in the Bible does it promise you will become a perfect sinless person after salvation. If you read the Bible, every single person is a screw up but God stil continues to pursue.

Send out "The Reason for God" by Tim Keller. He is incredibly smart and a very good writer.

...and the human beings on earth that are "in denial" are fortunate to have a patient Sovereign.