By not citing and not mentioning that you're quoting someone else, there's a very real sense in which you are being perceived as being the author. And in particular, none of the phrases you quoted are *that* eloquent or anything like that.

It's relevant insofar as your ability to communicate is concerned. Given that you didn't even know that the KKK isn't banned in the USA (in any sense of the word) but that's how you premised your question, it calls to question whether it's even possible to have a meaningful conversation with you.

100 nigerian schoolgirls abducted by islamist group

I'm sorry, but this ought to make everyone who reads it sick to their stomach. Some of these girls are probably being raped as we speak, others already dead, others made into sex slaves, and who knows what else. It is an atrocity and despicable, and in no way, shape or form can you find a gospel-based organization committing acts this horrific. You can believe that christianity and islam are equal or "the same" as far as religious moral systems go, but you are denying reality. There is already a thread on all of this, and statistics about what the average muslim believes. I don't want to rehash, but giving Islam a free pass because we believe in the freedom of religion is not what we should be doing. It should not be immune to an honest criticism and appraisal. It is true that there is only one God, but it is also true that God is love. I don't want nothing to do with a belief system that justifies taking young girls as "wives," and one that has already destroyed some of the greatest civilizations and brought them to ruin.

Edit: To me, it is not about race, or the people themselves. Any fool could see what the common denominator is in these countries where Christians are being persecuted. It is Islam itself. It has an institutional tendency toward forced suppression of other beliefs, persecution of christians and buddhists, and toward trampling humans rights of others, as well as mistreatment of women and little children. That story registered a strong emotional reaction with me, and I am in prayer for them and their families without ceasing. THAT is something to get mad about.

Also, I think there is a tendency here for atheists to believe that somehow their elite and tiny little cabal changed western civilization for the better in the face of an overwhelming christian majority who fought them all the way, say- women's rights, freedom to kill unborn babies unimpeded, and so on. This is so dead wrong. If you want an example of what it really would have looked like if the christian majority really were "fighting," look no further than the sharia countries, where christians once thrived, but are now basically an extinct species. That is what it would have looked like if Christans were not Christians, and not willing to get on board with a new program.

Hi OP,

Kim Jong, the atheist leader of North Korea, has laws in effect which ban Christianity, Judaism, Islam and more. Folks cant be a Muslim or Christian inside there own homes, in North Korea.

Also, some of the evangelical Christians in the USA who staunchly support Israel, the ones who believe the rapture is coming during our lifetimes, are the folks who are responsible for much of these useless Anti Islam views being presented around the world. That being said, these Evangelical Christians who so staunchly support Israel while branching into hate speech wrt their views on Muslims, are a minority of Americans.

Islam itself is responsible for anti-islamic views.

Some folks claim the same of Judaism, or that Jews are responsible for all the worlds problems. Your view is similar.

*sigh* I view Islam as more problematic than Christianity really...and both of them more problematic than say, Buddhism.

But yeah, Doggg belongs to that weird minority of Christians that seems to view everything through the lens of persecution. Oh noes atheists love teh Islam bcos they hate Christians, what nonsense.

I mean, most atheists can read and most of those have at least a passing awareness of geopolitics...it's not like Islamic nations are a haven of tolerance for atheism.

I have absolutely no idea where you have gotten it into your head that atheists don't find this disgusting. I challenged you to find a single post by a single atheist on this forum implying they don't care about dead christian children, etc.

This impression of yours is categorically false.

You bring up Jews or Israel in a lot of your posts I noticed. I have meant to question you on that.

What are your views on Israel? What are your views on the Jewish people?

Anyway, It would only be analogous if I was going around saying "I am not okay with Arabs." But you know this, and are just trolling, per usual.

there is a great history to Israel, are you confining my view to the past 60 years or past 5000 years?


As for the modern State of Israel, like any other country it varies. Not all the politicians from Israel are perfect. The Israel/Palestine Issue is well known throughout the world.



I greatly respect Jews, I have stated this time again in numerous threads. Judaism is (like Islam) a religion of Abraham.

The fact that you cant say the same for Islam and Muslims is stunning. You go around praising Christ but slamming Islam, for you to say your a Christian but then turn around and slam Islam doesn't make sense.

Even some Evangelicals such as Rick Warren, have made public comments in support of Islam and Muslims around the world, you ought to take a look into this Doggg.

By your own words, you said Why the one way street?

What your engaging in is the same behavior as folks who blame Judaism for all the problems in the world.

The Troika + 1 (Dawkins, Hitchens, Harris, ??) increased their rhetoric subsequent to 9/11 but in fact they attacked "religion" full well knowing that if they attacked "Islam" they would become targets.

Christianity is an easy target because it preaches "Love" whether or not the reactive westerners see this or not. The political force of Christianity is long gone but not so Islam. In these areas everyone lives in fear and the fear is certainly not of Christianity. There may be a Christian individual or group that is outlandish but the "easy pickers" make this more than it is, in reality and they know it.

Its a political affair and the only strength the west has is its ability to suffer others, a virtue of the Christian ethos, and certainly not Islam.

I happen to know that it's untrue that Dawkins steers clear of criticising Islam specifically, so I'm going to go ahead and assume that you're lying about Hitchens and Harris as well.

Not lying a-hole but the easy pickers don't want to be targeted. the inflammatory rhetoric is important, not necessarily whether he disagrees with a tenet.

Dawkins, site; anti religion,faith, etc.. for atheism. no courage as he titillates the students who are mindless.

http://www.richarddawkins.net/

He rides the wave of 9/11 , masked , hidden, and ignorant.

I repeat, its politics and often theological politics with the easy target of Christianity.

Sam Harris is well-known to be quite outspoken in his views of Islam.

http://www.samharris.org/blog/item/i...ses-of-ecstasy

If you want to see more of his comments on Islam, his blog has an entire category of it:

http://www.samharris.org/blog/category/islam

I'm less familiar with Hitchens and Dawkins' positions on Islam, but I did find this:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...h-8570580.html

This does suggest that all three have spoken negatively of Islam on at least some level.

OK, maybe you are merely ignorant instead of a liar (or maybe both) but rather than look it into now you have been corrected, which takes 2 minutes given you have internet access, you'd rather carry on running your mouth like a...what's the word I'm looking for? Oh yeah...a-hole.

Google is a thing now: "dawkins on islam" = About 2,670,000 results.

Yep, but the Christian "persecutionists" can't cry tears over the facts, they need to make stuff up to be angry about.

C'mon, the battle against religion was won long ago with the advent of the
"Age of Reason" or about the 15th century. The political manifestos of the English speaking peoples traveled throughout the world and we have parliaments, congress, presidency, etc.. the battle was against "Rome" and the word went out from the lodges to "Kill Rome" but was absolutely unnecessary as the political power of the Roman See was and is in decline or non evident.

Dawkins and the other three are at best oportunists using the cataclysm of 9/11 to bring forth their own ambitions.

Imagine a site which claims "reason" to belong to them and that the 'religious" can have no claim to to a capability within which the entire Christian ethos has lived within. Faith, religion, belief; all under attack with no substance by the attackers.

Comprehending the history of the west during the last 3000 years gives the lie to this group of ignorants . The entire moral tone of the west, including the mores of the English political process is brought forth within a religio/political process.

The Roman Empire presents with a hierarchical order whereas the English political process deals with the individual man. There is a third which is germane to the East, particularly Russia of a high spirituality which hs not manifested , as of yet, in our times.

Everybody is smart, and knows and works within "reason" and "logic" but these aren't the answers to our human condition and Dawkins calls everybody who enters a place of worship of believes in a higher power "stupid".

The moral tone and morality of our times will not come about through "reason' or "logic" but this does not mean that those who see a higher ideal have given up their thoughtful abilities in these areas.

I stand by what I said, nit pickinjg aside, and i called you an a-hole because you called me a "lier", which i am not.

I repeat, the thread and responses are about politics, antediluvian , but are not about Christ to which all men are within as Spirit of this Earth, consequential and subsequent to the Death on Golgotha.

Dawkins is a product of our age in which a man becomes an "individual" via Christ and in this a mans "reason' and "logic" manifest his individuality but there's more but first we see the world as "individuals" and not part of a nation, race, gender,clan or tribe but the road is long and Christianity is in its beginnings and this individual man works through these impediments to a higher nature of nobility.

None. Hopefully.


But dont **** with my bacon. That is messed up them taking it out of schools though. Dont like it dont eat it.

That's 434 words, simply saying "I was wrong but am not going to admit it" would convey the same message more efficiently.

http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=34302

weird this same post was posted elsewhere 6 years ago.

This thread and premise are ridiculous

This post is both absurd and disgusting.

It's absurd because you assume that atheists support Islam purely because Islam opposes Christianity. It shows a fundamental lack of understanding regarding common atheist beliefs.

It's disgusting because you're asserting that because I fundamentally disagree with their ideology, that I don't care when children are killed. The fact that someone actually has to sit down and explain to you how stupid this idea is demonstrates a level of delusion and persecution complex that's quite alarming.

Cliffs: Thank you for this post. Now I know I don't need to take anything you say seriously.

This analysis is form a book, and you can find online many discussions about it.

Why do you think it is ridiculous to believe, that some country might decided to forbid/outlaw/prosecute etc organized Islam and it's teachings. Look what is happening in Saudi Arabia and Atheists/Christianity, why do you believe it cannot happen in western civilizations?

For the record, I am firm atheist and don't really care about the religion of other people as long as they do not impose it on me. It just seems ridiculous to me that in Islam countries the atheists/other religious people are persecuted, while in Western countries we allow the flourishing of Islam and to some degree agree to their demands for "religious freedom".

You really don't see the difference between Saudi Islam based monarchy and Western democracy?

When the USA/Canada/wherever establishes a Christian monarchy, maybe the "Will we ban Islam?" question will make sense. Until then, it doesn't.

You say this, but then you immediately follow this with a statement that says you *DO* care about the religions of other people.

If you didn't care, it wouldn't matter that Islam is flourishing in Western countries. But you seem to be doing at least some level of fear-mongering or something (though I can't really tell what you mean by anything in this thread, since your original post didn't make sense and everything else was taken from somewhere else on the internet).

I don't think we need Christian monarchy for this to happen. It is more about secular government and society against organized Islam/Religion. I am not familiar with the situation in USA, but in most EU countries where Islamism is proliferating, Islam groups slowly but steadily are challenging the established secular laws and it just seems to me it is only a matter of time when Muslims will be majority and they will be able to influence the government.

I am not only anti-Muslin, Christians fall in the same group, but the reason why we were able to replace Christian monarchies with secular democracies is because Christians got educated and realized what a farce organized religion is and dropped their support. In Islam you have strict apostasy penalties and because of this and peer pressure, it is very hard for muslims to openly renounce their religion and not feel threatened.

I don't understand your accusation. As I said I don't care as long as they don't start imposing them on me.

I do not care what people personally belief, but when they start calling for Sharia Law in France, it bothers me deeply.

How would you react if Muslims reach a majority in your country and demand Sharia Law?

Fear-mongering? In my OP i simply asked which western country do you think will first act against organized Islam, and then I was attacked about semantics and on personal level "your ability to communicate is concerned"

It's amazing why people are so offensive. Yes I was not aware the KKK is not "banned" in USA, but instead of attacking me on personal level you could just point it out and continue the conversation.