I guess you are right, adding that "seem" means a statement like this is not an assertion. Nonetheless, is an appalling and absurd insinuation to make about me, or others.

I asked you repeatedly if you could find a SINGLE statement from a SINGLE atheist that gave even a hint that I or we don't care about dead christian children. You have produced nothing. All that is left is this pretty disgusting insinuation that shouldn't need to be categorically denied, but has been nonetheless.

Your last post gave a pretty long list of pretty negative characterizations of atheists. Fine, that is your view. But at the very least, can you kindly stop speculating on how we don't care about dead ****ing children? Is there no bounds on what you will accuse us of - and refuse to substantiate afterwards?

Thank you for quoting a fragment of my sentence.

“And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world” (1 John 4:3).

In the case of NK this cult goes much further than for example we have seen with Hitler, Stalin and Mao.

There are more examples of myths that have been created to justify the rule of the Kim family.

Technically they might not qualify as deities but they are worshipped 'religiously'. Therefore bringing up NK as an example of an atheist nation is misleading if nothing else.

Original Position, as the resident philosopher, what do you call it when people purposefully argue the exact opposite of an obvious fact in order to cast some iota of doubt on the fact itself and somehow "bring it into question"?

I know it's called something.

I don't think I was being unfair in identifying only the most egregious part, but if you think that is unfair then note that in my first post (post 19) I quoted it in its entirety, including the second phrase where you repeat your insinuation that I don't care about dead Christian children.

It is more than a bit annoying to have these insinuations levied at me, yet find you unwilling to back them up, equivocating that they are not technically assertions, that I am not quoting you in full, etc. So let me put it simply:

1) Do you actually think I don't care about dead christian children?
2) Do you recognize that this is an appalling insinuation to make about someone else, and certainly deserves some level of justification?
3) Can you provide a SINGLE instance where I have ever implied I don't care about dead christian children? Like in the slightest? Or any atheist on this board. One quote would suffice.

BTW, it should be noted that this is (I believe) the first exchange Doggg and I have had since he unignore listed me after a period of years due (we both suspect) to him confusing me and someone else. It would have been nice if this first exchange had been, ya know, a bit positive or constructive.

So the fact that the VERY FIRST POST to me after years comes dripping with insinuation that I don't care about dead children is just...i don't even really know...strange? Where is this coming from?

How is it misleading? Atheist ≠ no religion.

Doggg

what we are witnessing with you is a showcase of hypocrisy,

On one hand you praise Jesus Christ and talk about the Christian way of helping the poor.

But then when it comes to Islam, a fellow religion of Abraham, you get vicious, labeling Muslims as followers of a false, evil religion.

Doggg, its only natural that good people will come to the defense of Islam, such as Pope Francis. Now I understand your an evangelical Christian who is so adamantly against Islam, which is unfortunate and Im sure many Evangelicals disagree with your views on Islam (Rick Warren is one). That being said I know many Evangelicals do respect the Pope. You dont seem to show any attention for the endorsements of Islam made by Pope Francis or the Catholic Church.

Reductio ad absurdum

This is why atheists should care. You know when the inevitable question of why do you care about religion comes up. Were barely humans.

I'm not interested in participating in yet another attempt by Dogggg to start a flamewar by playing a rude and arrogant Christian, but I don't think that's what he was asking for.

I can dispassionately discuss death in many contexts, not just religious. I certainly feel no satisfaction or pleasure when I read about religion on religion killings, it just depresses me further at the stupidity and short sightedness of human beings.

I don't think anyone will 'ban' Islam on a national level, it's not how the other religions work, which is why Islam will ultimately prevail IMO. It's an aggressive and very self protective religion and short of some ind of religious global conflict, I think it's going to win, at least for a while, before the wheel turns again and something new comes along.

Mod Edit: This post and a few of the replies below were originally part of a different thread.
-Original Position

Separate lands as in one place(s) for Jews, another place(s) for Muslims.

I noticed that in a few of the threads, it has been discussed that ones religion should possibly be banned. Some folks want Islam banned for w/e reason (such as terrorism, sharia law, honor killings etc) from a Euro country or the USA which would of course send away the Muslims or force them to convert. It could be very possible some folks would be for banning Judaism along with Jews from the USA based on the perception that Jews control the banks, media, etc.


We do know that some posters have either approved or shown that they feel Islam will be banned from a certain country, or shown their highly negative perceptions of Islam or Muslims around the world. Same can be said for some posters perceptions of Jews around the world. Some examples,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...2&postcount=23

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=87

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...3&postcount=18

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...5&postcount=19


http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...2&postcount=17

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=218

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=220

For those who believe Jews or Muslims should be kicked out of their current country, and sent to a new place... Or that a critical change is needed in the way Jews or Muslims are treated in the USA or a European country.... How would this process work out?

Not a single one of your quotes included anyone claiming anything close to this.

/thread imo.

There were 6 or 7 votes cast that said Islam will be banned by a certain country. This coupled with the fact that the posts I quoted do include views inline with those of which seek to marginalize Muslims and Jews around the world.

Not to mention, my question was not only about folks who believe Islam should/will be banned from X country,

For those who believe Jews or Muslims should be kicked out of their current country, and sent to a new place... Or that a critical change is needed in the way Jews or Muslims are treated in the USA or a European country.... How would this process work out?





Say that to the posts or threads which marginalize Jews and Muslims to violent oppressors, or greedy, scheming money grubbers.

This

And this.

Six or seven votes on an internet forum? Surely, it's a strong indication of future events.

You seem confused. Will and should are not the same thing. As you have identified exactly zero people who fit the description of your OP, there is nothing left to say and we can close this nonsense up right?

Take a look at my links, some folks think Islam is a false religion led by a violent rapist, its no different then viewing Jews as scheming money grubbers or guys who "missed the bus".

I created this thread, in part, to get the views of those who believe Islam will be banned in X country, its not really a big deal. And you want the thread shut down, why dont you complain about other posts?

Uke-master,

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...25&postcount=1


Soon we will reach to a point where a western country will ban Islam, the way KKK was banned in USA.

is no different then saying

Soon we will reach to a point where a western country will ban Judaism , the way KKK was banned in USA.

I dont understand what your issue is, I'm interested in are the folks who believe Islam/Judaism seeks to dominate the world.

did you expect people to say "yes" or something?

Again, thinking Islam is bad is NOT THE ****ING SAME as thinking Muslims should be deported. DUCY?

Your basic confusion persists. Should and will are different things. The title of this thread has SHOULD. The title of the other thread has WILL. DUCY?

I called the OP of the other thread bigoted, so please don't pretend my calling out your horrible OP is glossing over me calling other OPs horrible as well.

tracked down a couple of votes for you:

first we have Aryeh King: a settler (i think, can't find much on him), who serves as 1 of 28 volunteer city council members in Jerusalem.

he would like Muslims to leave Israel, and wants to help.

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Ne...1#.U2BnCTuTh4s

a kinder, gentler approach to racial superiority.

and in the Muslim corner we have:

a holy book

Saudi textbooks:

the Chief Imam of the holiest mosque in Islam:

oh yeah, thekid345, know who else agreed with the proposal in your OP? Hitler.

Anyone dogmatically adhering to religious 2000+ year old religious texts is a possible threat to social growth and personal freedom, regardless of which religion they choose to practice.

Sadly the Israeli's feel entitled to all of Palestine based on a literal interpretation of the bible and despite the fact some of this this land has belonged to Palestinian Muslims for many years. If Jews choose to feel entitled to all of Palestine based on a 2000 year old book whose logic and factual claims is at time laughable then problems are inevitable.

Hopefully Jews are able to take a step back and realize it was the Muslims who peacefully lived with them in their Ottoman Empire. Israel will always be a problem and separation is the only solution for now as the Jews there feel entitled to land that has belonged to Palestinians for generations. It is a function of the Biblical sacredness of the land and the Jews entitlement based on a strict dogmatic adherence to outdated religious doctrine. Emotion and religious dogma overrides logic as they continue to oppress Palestinians with their claim of total ownership of Palestine.

It was pointed out in that thread that the KKK isn't actually banned in the USA. So drawing out a statement from an ill-informed poster as evidence of something of some legitimate conversation is a pretty bad starter, don't you think?