which do u is older the earth or the universe? or are they the same age?

how old do u believe the earth to be? the universe?

how old is god?

how old are humans?

were humans the 1st form of life ?

sry i suck at titles.

Are you serious?

My numbers are most likely off, I don't have books etc. in front of me or the desire to waste my time finding proper numbers, so I'm trying to remember off the top of my head

i meant for people who believe in religion.earth is 4.6 billion yrs and universe is like 13.7 billion.alot of the people i know that our christian or catholic are really dumb and either have no clue how old to think the earth/universe is or think its like 4,000 yrs old or something ******ed.

y did god take so long to make humans?

why did he take so long to create earth?

im rly trying hard not to sound demeaning or anything.the only place i can rly ask is online the ppl i know would have no clue what to say.

the answers u put to my questions seem conflicting to religion(idk much about religion or anything for that matter) why arent they?

When you ask why did God take so long to create earth or to make humans, you are applying your human sense of time to God, which you can't do. If you take the Bible literally, word for word, then yes, my answers are contradictory because each step in creation only took a day (if you take the Bible literally, word for word, then you're going to have some other contradictions to come to terms with as well, but that's for another conversation)
But God doesn't exist in our plane of consciousness. The day's in Genesis should be looked at more long the lines of periods of time from one step to the next, as opposed to a 24 hour day. Day one, to God, may have been a billion years, etc (and since, before genesis, and before earth existed, there would have been no such thing as a 24 hour day anyhow, so that should never have been taken literally fom the start). So why did he take so long? humans weren't created until the 6th day, so on the time scale I've presented, what's out of line
Some people I talk to believe that, to God, time is irrelevant. He exists at all times simultaneoulsly. The future and past have no meaning to him. That's how revelations can be revealed, because to God, everything has already happened. I've personally always had a problem with that belief because it takes away any possibility of me having an effect on what happens to me.

I don't think my answers are contradictory to religion. (By the way, just using the word religion is waaay too vague, they aren't all the same on these matters, but I'm assuming you're talking about Christianity) My answers aren't contradictory at all to my religion, because everyone has a personal religion that works for them. Even within a denomination, you will find differing opinions. I'm Lutheran, the people who I argue with the most about religion are also lutheran. But we don't necesssarily agree on everything, hence each of us having our own personal religion, in a way.

Typical atheist can't spell.

lol

never said im athiest.

so i guess that means that 6 days was equivalent to ~4.6 billion yrs to god?

Bingo!

Or more specifically, stop thinking of the word day, as used in Genesis, as a word having anything to do with a specific period of time.

Actually the question on whether god and the universe is the same age is rather brilliant.

There is a huge difference in believing god is part of the universe and its limitations and in believing god is "the first cause".

I myself have often wondered why not more people subscribe to the first variant which makes a lot of sense, but I'm generally chalking it up to tradition.

Or you could more correctly stop thinking of Genesis as a book having anything to do with natural history.

doubt this is a real thread

Or you could take 10 seconds of your precious time, read the OP, and maybe realize I am trying to answer the questions he presented from the point of view I have come to accept. I'm also not sure where I presented a belief that the book of Genesis has anything to do with natural history. In fact, I would think that my post where I stated that taking the bible literally is going to present some serious contradictions would be enough to show that. Considering that a textbook about natural history should probably be taken literally, if it's going to have any meaning whatsoever.

The operative word in my post was anything.

Anyway, I'm also simply offering my views in answer to the op by responding to another poster.

The point of my comment was: If you're going to accept a 4.3 billion year old earth, then why do you even need to include God in the picture? Whether he guided the earth's orgin or not, the timeline is the same.

You seem to think that you are worth 10 seconds of our time.

Why would you think that?

so if 6 days = ~4.6 billion yrs to god,then we can make an abstract scale of how god views time down to any fraction of a second right?4.6 billion divided by 6 is 766,666,666 so thats approx how long 1 of our days is then if we divide by 24 we get how he views and hour and so on and so on.so my question is now that we have an understanding of how god views time down to a second,would it still fit together with the story the bible tells?

edit ill do that meath down to a second.

766,666,666 divided by 24 is 31,944,444 years thats 1 hour

31,944,444 divied by 60 = 532407 years thats 1 minute

532,407 divided by 60 = 8873 years thats 1 second

Who are you to question God?

Each day doesn't necessarily have to be the same length of time.

Isn't Genesis pretty clear about "...and the evening and the morning were the [nth] day"?

All this special pleading about God's days being longer -- but only during the creation -- and possibly with varying lengths -- and in spite of the biblical account of days being defined as cycles of light and darkness -- seems quite a stretch of logic.

I was a very staunch young-earther before accepting the reality of an old earth where life evolved naturally, and much of the reason I came around was that I realized that my defense of creationism consisted exclusively of rationalization, special pleading, and, when faced with the irrefutable, outright denial. Never a solid fact.

Plus the 6 days should equal 13.5 billion years, the age of the universe, not 4.5 the age of the earth.

This is probably the best point I've seen made in one of these threads in a long time. My views most likely aren't actually worth 10 seconds of anyone's time. Same as 99.9% of the posts on any of these forums. However, I do believe that if you are going to bother to comment on someones view, then you should at least give them the respect of taking a bit of time to make sure you know what you're talking about.

Regarding why I made the post you are talking about here, I do realize that I was too quick to judge and overreact to Schwitters' comment, as what he was saying was more or less actually supporting my point, not arguing it.

The problem, now, seems to be that the OP still hasn't gotten these things, considering that he's now trying to break down how many seconds each year is to God. Maybe next he should figure out the equivalent in dog years.

I think I kind of like you.

You have a misunderstand of this position. It is not that the bible says 6 days, but that people think that really means metaphorical days or that the way we experience days are some how different then the way God does or something, but that it talks about occurrences within blocks of time. The word "yom" is translated to "period of time"