I couldn't prove that I'm not on an internet forum one way or the other. Besides I never care what YOU think because you mostly lie about and distort everything I say. Now if you're as smart as you claim to be why do you do that? Or are you just a really bad judge of character that likes to project bigoted stereotypes on Christians?


But you might want to ask kurto if he's a pedophile since he pm'd me twice asking my age and saying I must be really young. Apparently he may be on the lookout for someone really young and that possibility makes me nervous. I mean he really focused on the age thing twice.

Wow. Caliente. What a tempestuous fireball. And such language. Clearly you model yourself after Jesus.

By the way, I don't troll Christians. Please stop pretending that you represent all Christians. Most christians seem nicer and better informed then you. Pointing out that you have poor logic and are racist is hardly bigotry or trolling. Thank you.

Where have I ever claimed to be an SMPer? I'm not aware of anyone claiming that as a label.

By the way, I didn't count Dragon as bad behaviour. His posting appeared to be just truthful. But, even if his behaviour was bad, 2 examples of Iranians doing anything wrong is piss-poor evidence to conclude anything about all Iranians. Unless you're an irrational racist... in other words, unless you're you.

Please don't try to characterize how my logic is 'usually' used. You show so little understanding of logic or people. I can draw a conclusion that someone who characterizes an entire race of people by the actions of 1 or 2 people of that race because that is a common defining trait of racists.

No one is demonizing anyone. Using logic to accurately describe someone is not demonizing. Sorry.

Your racist anti-iranian statements was the product of a woman who lacks logic and vents pure undisciplined emotion. I couldn't have said it better then you. Thank you.

LOL. Ironic. Everyone who disagrees with you is a troll. Interestingly enough, most people you come across must be trolls. Yet you are the one with a history of creating multiple ids and having conversations with yourself. tee hee.

I'm not the one throwing childish f-bombs and judging all Iranians. I'm actually quite happy and amused.

Tee hee. More name calling. I love what you do for the image of Christianity. No logic. Racist. Prone to rants with cursing. Creates multiple IDs to drum up fake support for her arguments (talk about a weakling who needs to all the support she can get. So much so she has to make it up!)

Let's not get off course. The point is you show a logical thinking. If Autocratic and the Iranian who broke your cousin's arm both had mustaches, would you conclude that people with mustaches were morally lacking? Its no sillier then what you posted. Attacking your completely irrationaly statements is not trolling. And its not anti-christian. Because you don't represent christians. You represent yourself only.

This is what you wrote:

This is clearly a racist comment. I didn't need to lie or distort anything to make you look bigoted. You made a very ignorant comment about someone's race and you make no apology for it. Your racism is in black and white for all to see.

You present yourself on this forum as a morally-superior Christian woman, but the instant you get upset your true self comes out.

Kurto's (alleged) pedophilia does not excuse your racism.

It would definitely explain a lot if Splendour was 15. However I happen to know from other threads that she is fully adult.

btw, if we could shove this enormous threadjack to one side, I'm still interested to see if there are any intelligent explanations of Jesus' prophecies. So far we've had Rooster: I can explain it to my satisfaction but not yours (fair enough) and Splendour: Something about Jews (Apricot is a subgenus of Prunus). Anyone else?

Guess what. A comment is free speech. I said he was giving them a bad name and that I was prone to think badly already from a family incident. Do you know what "prone" means. It indicates leaning not there already.

Everyone around here decries the way Muslims treat women and the honor killings and their being not even mentioned in going to heaven in the Koran. So why are you singling me out? Particularly when mockery of Christians on here is an everyday occurence.

There's quite a bit of discrimination going on in here but I think its religious a whole lot more than racial.

Why don't you try working on yourself. Your religious bigotry is a lot greater than any racial one I might have.

How many times have you called Christians delusional. Why don't you do a post count? I bet its close to a thousand times.

Obviously. It's the intent that counts, not the words or actions.

LOL I love how you continue to throw more evidence that you make rash judgements and are dishonest.

We both know that I questioned your age because I was trying to figure out why your posts were so nonsensical. I made that the erroneous guess that you were probably pretty young because your reasoning was very immature.

To conclude that someone is a pedophile because they question your age is clearly irrational. Though once again, 100% par for Splendour. Though we both know that you're really just weaking attempting to make a veiled insult. Once again, you make Jesus proud. What a fantastic ambassador for the message of Jesus.

Thanks for the education. If an Iranian hurts someone, all Iranian's are immoral. If someone questions your age, they must be a pedophile.

Teach us more!

This thread turned into a DISASTER!

ChrisV, I suggest attempting another one. I will admit that I do not have an answer for you on this subject. I don't have the time to really investigate this myself right now but I can tell you that I understand your questioning. I will do my best throughout the next day or so to see what I can figure out but I doubt anyone will be willing to take part in the thread the way it is.

I apologize for any contributions to threadjacking. Though when I see bad logic, I feel the need to comment.

Within this thread - I also am bothered by the reasoning that said to comprehend the Bible you have to accept certain beliefs. For one, I believe within the Christian community who may share those beliefs, they still disagree on scriptural interpretation. So sharing those beliefs as rooster suggested does not lead to any universal shared belief about Biblical interpretation.

Also- No surprise, Splendours argument that non-believers can't understand it is also irrational. One can understand the reasoning of something whether or not you believe everything stated. Also, many of us who are atheists were formerly believers. So we have read the Bible as both believers and non-believers.

Finally, many theists on this forum have stated that if we read the Bible we will believe and understand. Now we have Splendour stating we can't understand what we read because we don't believe. There's a nice catch22. And another example of self serving logic that is simply because they said it is.

What I'm talking about when I say you have to believe first is related to attitude.

You obviously cannot read the bible and understand it with a skeptical attitude.

The Book of Wisdom explains it pretty clearly.

You don't just read the bible you have to read it with humility and respect. Most Christians pray for guidance before reading it.

Wisdom Chapter 1

An exhortation to seek God sincerely, who cannot be deceived, and desireth not our death.
1:1. Love justice, you that are the judges of the earth. Think of the Lord in goodness, and seek him in simplicity of heart:

1:2. For he is found by them that tempt him not: and he sheweth himself to them that have faith in him.

1:3. For perverse thoughts separate from God: and his power, when it is tried, reproveth the unwise:

1:4. For wisdom will not enter into a malicious soul, nor dwell in a body subject to sins.

1:5. For the Holy Spirit of discipline will flee from the deceitful, and will withdraw himself from thoughts that are without understanding, and he shall not abide when iniquity cometh in.

1:6. For the spirit of wisdom is benevolent, and will not acquit the evil speaker from his lips: for God is witness of his reins, and he is a true searcher of his heart, and a hearer of his tongue.

1:7. For the Spirit of the Lord hath filled the whole world: and that which containeth all things, hath knowledge of the voice.

1:8. Therefore he that speaketh unjust things, cannot be hid, neither shall the chastising judgment pass him by.

1:9. For inquisition shall be made into the thoughts of the ungodly, and the hearing of his words shall come to God, to the chastising of his iniquities.

1:10. For the ear of jealousy heareth all things, and the tumult of murmuring shall not be hid.

1:11. Keep yourselves, therefore, from murmuring, which profiteth nothing, and refrain your tongue from detraction, for an obscure speech shall not go for nought: and the mouth that belieth, killeth the soul.

1:12. Seek not death in the error of your life, neither procure ye destruction by the works of your hands.

1:13. For God made not death, neither hath he pleasure in the destruction of the living.

1:14. For he created all things that they might be: and he made the nations of the earth for health: and there is no poison of destruction in them, nor kingdom of hell upon the earth.

1:15. For justice is perpetual and immortal.

1:16. But the wicked with works and words have called it to them: and esteeming it a friend, have fallen away and have made a covenant with it: because they are worthy to be of the part thereof.

http://www****dm.org/bible/Old%20Testament/wisdom.htm

Good job, Splendour...but this is a train wreck of an OP. It's obvious that the OP has made no attempt to check any of this out before posting.

The OP should already recognize the confluence in the Middle East and realize that this is very shaky ground for an atheist.

It is a train wreck.

I guess you can't give people attitude. I miss the old days when people used to almost instinctively know to fear God.

Maybe that's what happened in the fall: man lost his instinct to fear God.

I generally stray away from Biblical debates because they don't interest me much, but could you elaborate a bit?

Care to tell us why the OP is a train wreck? Or at least tell us why you think those prophecies meant something else or that they actually came true.

when you say "old days" do you mean like around the time of christ or earlier? or like the 1970/1980s when you were younger?

But that doesn't make sense. Understanding something has nothing to do with skepticism. And I point out again, based on people's testimonies here, most of the atheists here were believers at one point. They became skeptical when they read the Bible and thought about its teachings. Skepticism came through analysis. And mind you, most of us who were believers did NOT want to be skeptical. Many of us fought skepticism and were troubled by it.

We understood what we were reading. And it didn't ring true to us.

Again, on this forum we are told that merely be reading the Bible we will see the truth. No one is going to approach a book they don't already have faith in with humility and respect. No non-believer is going to pray for guidance to a deity they don't believe in.

By your logic, Splendour, only people who already believe are going to understand and get it. Which makes an impossible barrier for belief. Any of us dumb atheists who want to read what its all about will never get it because we cannot approach the Bible with the humility and respect that Christians do because we don't believe.

Also- its odd that God would be so cryptic and hard to find that his message can only be understood by those who already believe.

Mainly though, I find it odd that your description of what it takes to understand the Bible contradicts nearly every Christian that asks non-believers to read the Bible. According to you, we won't get it anyways.

As many atheists have stated repeatedly, they have sought and do seek God sincerely. He just doesn't appear to be there.

Ha. Yes... you miss the days when people knew to fear the being of ultimate love. This nicely demonstrates the mind-whack that is this religion.

God is all loving. We should fear him.

By the way- Mankind has consistantly feared God(s). Just different gods at different times. That is one thing consistantly that the religious have sold: fear.

Last week some Mexican kids broke into my car and stole my stereo. Using your logic, the next time I have a disagreement with a Mexican person, I'll be sure to tell them that I'm "prone" to thinking that all Mexicans are thieves. This will be perfectly acceptable due to my one previous negative experience with Mexicans.

So attacking someone's ethnicity is how you've decided to get back at people who mock Christians?

There's a difference between mocking someone's beliefs and mocking someone's ethnicity.

So because I've called Christians "delusional", it gives you carte blanche to make racist comments?

It's actually worse than this. In order to truly understand and believe, you have to keep reading and rereading the Bible until you reach the same conclusions and interpretations as the person you're talking to.

(And I don't mean this as a joke either. This is EXACTLY what happens over and over again when you discuss the Bible with people who feel they have it "right")

We're done here.