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03-18-2021 , 07:35 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Right. So, who or what is your ultimate authority, and why do you trust it?
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Originally Posted by lagtight
That sounds right.
You're asking for and expecting theistic answers from non-theists.

Why would you expect an atheist to respond to being asked "who's your god" or "what god do you get your Ultimate Authority from?" with any god-like answer?



So...

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Originally Posted by lagtight
Would you like to name some names here? Or is this just kinda random speculation?
Any theist that thinks atheists need to provide theistic answers to their questions (so to name two: you and Lisle).






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Originally Posted by lagtight
No. I'll keep reading to find out...

Sorry, I don't see anything "sneaky" going on there. The question is straightforward: Who or what is your ultimate authority, and why do you trust it? It's not some "gotcha" question; everybody has an utlimate authority, even if not everyone has carefully thought through exactly what it is.

Epistemic justification (internalism vs. externalism)
The topic should be right up your alley, and is a required topic to understand epistemic justification. The difference between internal vs. external justification is night and day, which is why the switching between the two by presupp apologists is a big deal (regardless of intent). It will also address your Ultimate Authority concept.



Wiki's entry: link
Stanford's entry: link




If you prefer some audio to listen to, my favourite YouTube atheist philosopher (known as Ozymandias) talked about this topic in the following link, in responding to a question about JTB (for about 10 minutes starting from timestamp 1:29:45):
https://youtu.be/qagiQ_mepao?t=5325
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03-19-2021 , 07:13 AM
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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish
You're asking for and expecting theistic answers from non-theists.

Why would you expect an atheist to respond to being asked "who's your god" or "what god do you get your Ultimate Authority from?" with any god-like answer?
How would you know what I'm "expecting." I am asking a straightforward question, and the person that I ask the question to can answer it any way they want. In fact, I obviously would not expect an atheist's ultimate authority to be "god-like" (if by "god-like" you mean a person as the ultimate standard). Everybody who makes knowledge claims has an implicit or explicit ultimate standard (or authority).

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Any theist that thinks atheists need to provide theistic answers to their questions (so to name two: you and Lisle).
No, I don't expect a theistic answer from an atheist. But, I do recognize that any non-theistic ultimate authority will fail in at least one of three ways: It will be arbitrary, it will be inconsistent or it will fail to account for the preconditions of intelligibility.

Here is quote (actually a paraphrase, since I don't know where the paper is) from an unpublished paper written by a friend of mine:

While there may be no rational argument for theism, there is no non-theistic argument for rationality.


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Epistemic justification (internalism vs. externalism)
The topic should be right up your alley, and is a required topic to understand epistemic justification. The difference between internal vs. external justification is night and day, which is why the switching between the two by presupp apologists is a big deal (regardless of intent). It will also address your Ultimate Authority concept.



Wiki's entry: link
Stanford's entry: link




If you prefer some audio to listen to, my favourite YouTube atheist philosopher (known as Ozymandias) talked about this topic in the following link, in responding to a question about JTB (for about 10 minutes starting from timestamp 1:29:45):
https://youtu.be/qagiQ_mepao?t=5325
Thanks for the links!
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04-04-2021 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by tame_deuces
You've been presented with cases on this board plenty of times, you have ignored them each and every time. It's probably about time you stop pretending to ask questions.

You don't want to see the evidence, you obviously see these theories, their use and their evidence as some sort of threat to your religion and you don't want that or can't accept it.
I forgot to thank you for your brief excursion into psychological reductionism.

An ethical clinical psychologist would refrain from diagnosing someone without a face-to-face examination. Armchair psychologists are different in that regard, it seems.

If I may quote Dennis Prager: Psychological reductionism is the last refuge of someone without an argument.

Last edited by lagtight; 04-04-2021 at 04:39 AM. Reason: added smiley to lighten the tone a bit
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04-04-2021 , 04:41 AM
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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish
You're asking for and expecting theistic answers from non-theists.

Why would you expect an atheist to respond to being asked "who's your god" or "what god do you get your Ultimate Authority from?" with any god-like answer?



So...


Any theist that thinks atheists need to provide theistic answers to their questions (so to name two: you and Lisle).









Epistemic justification (internalism vs. externalism)
The topic should be right up your alley, and is a required topic to understand epistemic justification. The difference between internal vs. external justification is night and day, which is why the switching between the two by presupp apologists is a big deal (regardless of intent). It will also address your Ultimate Authority concept.



Wiki's entry: link
Stanford's entry: link




If you prefer some audio to listen to, my favourite YouTube atheist philosopher (known as Ozymandias) talked about this topic in the following link, in responding to a question about JTB (for about 10 minutes starting from timestamp 1:29:45):
https://youtu.be/qagiQ_mepao?t=5325
I have a lot of "catch up" to do in these discussions.

I shan't be posting here again for several days (barring a libelous attack against me by someone.) I will be lurking a bit, I suspect.

Have a wonderful Resurrection Sunday, everybody!!!

He is Risen!
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