Theory

1.God is unique in the imaginations of every believer:

-His personality
-His looks
-His wishes
-His feelings
-His reasons
-His roles
-His interaction
-His rules
-His punishments
-His opinions
-His desires
-His intentions
-ITS material as a whole (aka blablabala)

Would any 2 Christians hold the same image of God? No! Why? Because the image is a product of OTHER PEOPLES IMAGINATIONS ADDED TO THEIR OWN.

It's like i say to the whole world ' Imagine A man walks out of a building' in every mind that image would be UNIQUE. But if i DREW MINE or DESCRIBED MINE first then your mind would absorb my imagination and combined with your own and it owuld be more ALIKE. This is how religion has evolved its like the molten pieces of terminator all coming together to create an entity. Believers don't realise this. There are billions of 'God'(s) existing inside nothing but imagination.

2.Atheists (and theists) assume Things such as a real 'God' Can't exist OUTSIDE of our imagination.

Conclusions

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Part 2 is not correct from a theist point of view.

Is there a question in the first part?

There wasn't a question in the 2nd part but you found one so I guess you have to look harder.


And no... for a Muslim believing in Allah would be real within their imagination but all the other Allahs in other imaginations would be slightly different and not real to them... even though they are real SOMEWHERE OUTSIDE their imagination but within anothers.... and The Christian God or Thor or some other forgotten Pagan God which existed outside their imagination would be basically non existent to them (and vice versa).

And by outside i don't just mean in other imaginations but in REALITY or some other place.

No one has claimed it is untrue. No one has posted any conclusions. Deep down the conclusion is undesirable and undeniable. God is just made up in your mind.

Whenever i make an attempt of making people think outside of their own little box nobody directly reacts. For some it is a defence mechanism. Someone challenge it or I presume success.

With all due respect, while what you present is often indeed "outside the box" it is also either: 1) barely intelligible, and 2) presented as assertions without any backup whatsoever.

If what you are saying here is that everyone has at least a slightly different conception of God then I'm sure you are right. This, however, has NO bearing on whether or not God exists, and probably can be attributed to many things and concepts out there.

I appreciate outside the box thinking, but you've got to bring more to the table if you want people to come along with you.

I gave plenty...

Is that man real? yes but only WITHIN peoples minds. Where did your man come from? He came from my mind. The same applies to god, it all started with an imagination and those imaginations being collected together and added to others resulting in the present 'image'.

My goal is to make believers realise that Their image of god is produced from imagination and it is stopping them seeing outside of their own.



exactly.... my goal is to make believers and atheists alike think about this. Just because a rendition of God exists in an imagination does not mean It exists outside of their own world. And likewise does not mean that a real one that is not imagined anywhere, or coincidentally imagined exactly by sheer chance is real.

Minds are trapped with varying degrees of extent within their imagination, theists will often even refuse to give it a shot due to fear. All thoughts can be traced to a source and the source of God is not Gods word himself, it is often another imagination... just like my words that 'a man walked out of a building' causes it to exist in another.

Disagree anywhere?

On a related topic, this re-creation of Jesus differs considerably from the traditional Michelangelo's Italian version.

where'd you get that pic VPIP? Looks just like a kebab-shop owner at the end of my road...


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The God that Christians believe in:

Christians (genuine Christians) agree on some of the characteristics of the nature of God, such as: he is all light, no darkness. He hates sin, he loves righteousness. He is just. He is three persons in one. His love is perfect.

They also agree on things like: his will is to finish his work inside of you to recreate you in the perfect image of Christ. His will is for you to spend eternity with him.

They agree on the historical things about God: he created the universe, he was with Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David, John, Paul. He (Jesus) came down to earth in the flesh.

These things are written in the Bible. They believe in this same God, the God of Abraham, Jacob, and Isaac, the creator of the universe.

Different imaginations among different people

Everyone's imagination/perception of a third person is different. This is inevitable.

For example, my imagination of Phil Ivey is different than your imagination of Phil Ivey. But we both reference the same individual when we talk about him, based on the common things we have heard/seen about him.

Same thing with God: all genuine Christians reference the same God, based on the common things they know about him from the Bible.

not that he cant, just that he doesnt.

Ok firstly i explained in OP why there are similarities. The imaginations come together, they evolve. Now where do these traits come from? DO they come from anything other than an imagination(s)? If i gave detail of my man walking out of the building for your imagination your imagination would be more aligned with mine. I could have written down 'red shirt' just like 'he is all light' and your imagination would thus be manipulated This is what happens by reading the bible. Trace it back and back and we have imagination, even before it was written it was imaginations that caused it. And so the life and personality of god within an individual mind

2ndly the Christian imagination has been divided through time resulting in a multitude of churches. The bible is interperated different leading to branches of imagination. Protestant/catholic ect.

3rdly lol @ 'genuine Christians' ... eh?

The bolded part existed way before Christianity throughout many religions, it has been imagined in a variety of ways from Egyptians to Aborigines to Red Indians to whatever evolution occurs in the imaginations passage through time in the future. Notice how all these divisions all believe that their imagination is reality and the realities within others are false. They all derive from imagination what's funny is how it is so obvious that Christianity is influenced by previous imaginations.

Ask yourself why the italic part is believed factual? Because of the imprint of imagination on paper. I could write down my man left a building with a hat on, i could imagine him as real and ven call him a friend, i could give him personality traits i could say he was God.

And words come from imagination. Thoughts evolve into things like Christianity and Bibles like any fictional novel, still based on previous thoughts.

They do not reference the same God. Just a God that is very similar to another image of Him, an image that has took an almost identical passage through minds, medias, communications, languages, pictures, books, more imaginations ect ect because it has travelled for so long it has been collected and defined like a multi sided pebbled gets weathered in a river. The only difference between all Gods is the path the image took throughout imaginations and time. Still tehy only exist within imagination whereas Phil Ivey is almost definatly somewhere here right now where he can be seen and talked to.



Any disagreement?

But what about 'some other unknown and unimagined'?

This is a closed minded assumption. The fact you use the word 'he' suggests you have your own unique imagination of God but you don't believe it real. Atheists are Just as bad if not worse than Theists.

its not my conception. the bible says "he."

the only thing this shows is that im using the english language. what should i say...it?

It shows You have a conception which is your very own perception, you have characterised and personified and imagined a being from words ... that you receive from the bible or from others perception of the Bible which received that one from another and another ect....

You ignored my question

You assume there isn't because it does not exist within your minds vision?

ive assumed nothing. i believe in things in accordance with the evidence. i dont have any evidence of any deities, so i dont believe. its quite simple.

evidence exists in your imagination. There is evidence for things that also exist outside of it that you do not know of. And you assume there isn't

The words in the Bible are inspired from God, not from man's imagination. We will disagree on this point, and there is no sense arguing this point with each other. It is the same argument as "does God exist".

All the different interpretations still describe God the same way. Unless you're talking about other religions outside of Christianity.

A large majority of people who claim to be Christians really are not, by the standards given in the Bible.

Fine, what about William Shakespeare? When we discuss him, how do we know we're discussing the same person, or even a real person at all?

The words in the Bible are inspired by imagination. As in all books. The question is where the image in the imagination come from. It is the same argument as to whether a character in a fictional novel exists. They do but only within a mind.

No. They are all different on some level within each and every mind.... As i have explained already... it is indisputable. For instance Some versions of him want Christians to kill Muslims. In some He sends sinners to Hell for eternity. Jesus is the same the passage of imagination has travelled different courses and at the end it is different l Look at all the Popes that have had power and how even their perception of God has differed. Compare Pope Urban the 2nd to John Paul that we have now its obvious they even see God in their Minds differently. Why? Because God is a product of Imagination and we all imagine differently.

Oh... I'm sure they will disagree. Matter of opinion no? Thats what religion is, Opinion. Thought. Opinions and thoughts can be manipulated by other of such. Why else would there be so many different religions and perceptions within each? Because the words and... beliefs... and questions... are processed through different imaginations, different routes through time. Everything we see and think has a source. And the Bibles is a pen and talk and thought. Like all religions.

We cannot discuss the person for we do not know him. Only discuss imagination. He is not alive. He is not within our senses. He would be a real person only in our imagination or in the time he existed.

I knew Pletho wasn't a genuine Christian.

i dont assume i have all of the evidence.

Saddam Hussein was Jesus?

Simply Impossible. All you have is the belief that everything within your mind and imagination is all that exists.


^^^XD he looks nothing like Saddam.

wrong again.

Well then you cannot have all the evidence regarding this:

otherwise by this logic: will apply to you

There is evidence somewhere for alien life if alien life exists, so because you have no evidence shown to your imagination then there is no evidence and no alien lifeforms.

A lack of evidence is not evidence. A lack of evidence does not mean there is no evidence.



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Mt.FishNoob if there's one person on this forum that I think I think like, it's most definitely you! But we always run into this problem about the actual existence of God. Do you ever consider whether the story of Jesus and the Resurrection is true? I'm assuming you don't, and if not, what about it makes you disbelieve?