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They are different religions. They have different requirements.
So there is then somewhere in the Bible a clear and unambiguous edict that large tranches of the Bible can be ignored? Or is it more just that religion isn't the only factor that influences the mores and social norms of a culture?
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Also you seem to think that definitions aren't important. I disagree. An atheist in Iran that publically claims to be a muslim to avoid being executed for "apostasy" isn't really a muslim in my book. I could say my whole family are catholics if being that liberal with the label even though I suspect my grandma is the only true catholic. I don't think mere belief in Allah's existence is enough either as the religion is called submission after all. Disregarding definitions is like arguing the existence of God with no consensus on what we both mean by God.
I do think definitions are important, just not for this particular discussion at this particular time. You haven't offered one, anyway, just referred to a series of situations where one could feign a religious belief. 'Someone pretending to be a Muslim isn't a Muslim' doesn't lend any strength to your (bizarre) claim that Muslims who don't want to conquer the world - constituting, as they do, the vast majority of people world-wide who identify as Muslim - are not 'real Muslims'. I reject that claim, but you know who agrees? Bin Laden and his ilk. Strange bedfellows, eh?
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It's better to go by the book than ask muslims themselves simply because of the book. In other words, believers can lie to unbelievers so they keep their guard down. A reason we hear alot that Islam means peace when it means submission.
I forget the name of the doctrine, but some Christians (I think it might be Catholics) have this also - the ability to essentially lie about their faith in certain situations.
I find the bolded part interesting. Do you mean 'my' Muslims, who you say aren't really Muslims, or 'your' Muslims, who are all terrorists? I'll rephrase the question, then: how many of 'my' Muslims do you know, and how many of them have you spoken to about these issues?
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I don't want Islam to influence my life and freedoms in any way.
That's not an answer.
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I know bits and bobs. The internet etc.
That really does not inspire confidence in your authority on these matters. You wouldn't have me represent you in court because I know bits and bobs about the law from the internet. You wouldn't let me act as your physician because I know bits and bobs about medicine from the internet... right?
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Freedom of speech is a big no no in europe. The man who made Fitna might be getting jailed this year even though it just includes Quranic quotes, rantings and atrocities which is all truth. Truth=illegal.
Well, he's being tried under anti-hate speech laws, sure. But I'm with the New York Times - the guy called for the Qur'an to be banned; where does he get off moaning about free speech? That said, I hope he's aquitted.
As to the question of whether his film contains 'all truth' - it, and various statements made by Wilders, makes the claim that there is a necessary connection between violence and adherence to Islam. I disagree.
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Also there is Sharia law in the uk.
But what does 'Sharia law in the UK' mean to you? As in, what do you think it actually entails?
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Sooo...? You intend to join the ranks of those who have failed to provide an answer?
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Why does the UK have sharia law? The politicians want to give the west away. That's why.
Why do they want to give the West away? I want to see how deep the rabbit-hole goes here...