Does and should God break His commandments?

There are inconsistencies in scripture that indicate that God is not subject to His own laws and commandments.

If, on earth as it is in heaven is to have meaning, and if God is to be our greatest example, we should remember that any human law maker is subject to his laws yet many think that God has more of a, do as I say and not as I do, type of morality. This to me would be an immoral and hypocritical position and I cannot see God taking it. If God is exempt from His own laws then, on earth as in heaven, can never come to pass.

As I look at the list of commandments, I see where God and or Jesus may indeed have broken some of the commandments.

The 1st You shall have no other gods before me.

It appears the Jesus broke this commandment by placing himself above God the Father, ----only through me. That is why we are told that if we do not believe in Jesus, we are doomed to hell. This basically usurps the function once held by the Father.

The 2nd You shall not make for yourself any carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate me, but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.

God Himself carved a set of commandments for Moses and thus breaks the commandment.

The 3rd You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain, for the Lord will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.

Pass.

The 4th Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the Lord your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your manservant, nor your maidservant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.

Jesus was accused of working and preaching on the Sabbath.
http://www.biblegateway.com/keyword/...searchtype=all

The 5th Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the Lord your God is giving you.

Jesus seems again to place Himself ahead or above the Father which arguably shows a lack of respect.

The 6th You shall not murder.
God, in a large number of places in the O T, either kills or orders the killing of many and in the cases of children and babies, these can arguably be called murder.

The 7th You shall not commit adultery.
God is said to use Mary, another man’s woman, to reproduce what some would call a bastard son as it was born out of wedlock.

Tee 8th You shall not steal.
Pass.


The 9th You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
If lie is implied, we would see again a number of times where we can arguably say that God lied. The first would be in Eden to Adam and Eve who were told they could eat of the tree of life and later, God rescinded this statement and prevented that possibility. Thus making His statement a lie. It is also said by theists that god gave us our free will and He is also shown as rescinding this gift every time He killed or had someone killed. They would obviously had the free will choice to live and not die yet this free will decision was ignored by God.

10th You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.
God seems to break this one as well when He desired Mary as the vessel for His reproductive purposes. He also seems to covet our love honor and adoration quite strongly as, if it is denied, then those who do not, end in eternal hell.

These clearly show a poor record, 2 out of 10, for God in keeping His own commandment and laws. I have likely been marking in a stricter way than the average theist.

Should God be expected to keep the commandments?

If we can get past these then we can tackle the question of whether or not man can hold to the 10 commandments. I think we can actually do better than God.

Regards
DL

No - because law is given by authority and there is no higher authority than God. The moral law is the expression of God's character, the commandments are given to His creatures. He is perfect righteousness and therefore law is irrelevant to Him. If He were subject to law, He wouldn't be God.

It appears the Jesus broke this commandment by placing himself above God the Father, ----only through me.

"...My Father is Greater than I" John 14:28

The commandments are not carved images of anything, this is a horrible example. Maybe you could give an exapmle of the images on the Ark of the covenant.


Jesus clearly defends himself too. And I think he makes a good defense.

Catholics believe Jesus honors Mary as the Queen of Heaven - perfectly fulfills this commandment. Jesus gives Himself completely to the father, you can't argue against that.

Murder is killing innocents, or the unlawful killing of someone. First, noone is innocent, second, God is the law and he can lawfully kill anyone with good reasons.

God doesn't lust after any other women. God asked Mary for her permission, and he knew Joseph could accept it. Also, no physical sex, no lusting, just the placing of a baby in the mother's womb. And we are will all be married to God in heaven... in other words, this is ridiculous.

God has never lied. Humans have misunderstood him, but God in his wisdom chooses his words wisely, and Father always keeps his promises.
Him 'loving' when we love him is not 'coveting your neighbor's house, wife, etc.'

And finally, even though God has ALWAYS kept his commandments, as the previous poster said, he doesn't have to.


This proves you are a troll.

Thank you Jerok.

hamburgers

does god eat them?

OP, you're working terribly hard at this....

Why? If we take the characteristics of the biblical God then the sum does not seem to make a very nice individual.

Seriously. If thinking modern mans morals are better then the biblical Gods makes someone a troll then you can put me in that boat too.

If we are to emulate God then we too should strive to ignore the laws that we live under.

You provide a good answer for a man with his head firmly up God's ass.

The indoctrinators must have got to you early.

Regards
DL

This proves that you do not have a clue and you are so short of morals that you will follow a genocidal maniac.

Typical Christian debate form.
Do not refute anything and insult on the way out because you are angry with your own stupidity and inability to come up with a reasoned reply.
No wonder the young are leaving the Church in droves.
They are brighter than their parents. Thank God for that, so to speak.
Keep up the good work of killing the Church.

Regards
DL

Regards
DL

For evil to grow, all good men need do is nothing.

It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are Religionists.
They all hurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief. They make us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a God but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Belief in fantasy is evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHa...x=0&playnext=1

They also do much harm to their own.

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9...eature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fOqGhcwwE1s

Regards
DL

Not when you throw away logic and reason for faith and shove your head far enough up His ass where you cannot get a good look at Him.

Regards
DL

Welcome aboard matte.
Eye. The weather and the air she be fine when you do not have to breathe where some are breathing.

P E U that is some bad place in that thare hole.

Regards
DL

Second quote is from another thread. Can you reconcile the 2?

Is it even possible for God to break His own commandments?

The answer is no. God's commandments are for His creation, not Himself.

Logically speaking, God can't break them since He is not subject to them.

His god isn't imaginary, but yours is.

Hmm hypocrisy I sense thee...

He seems to be attempting to address posts that are questioning what he's said. Am I missing something? (I don't read all his thread/posts so perhaps you're referring to something outside of this thread)

It's what I bolded - he accused that I didn't refute what he said then I insulted him. Then he didn't refute what I said and insulted me.

The best to you.

They do that on their own.

They both deny the existence of imaginary miracle working super absentee Gods.

Experts are now recognizing that all Christian beliefs came from older religions. Egypt
seems to be the focal point and creator of most of the myths within Christianity.
If you do a bit of comparisons you will see how Christianity plagiarized from older beliefs and myths.

Regards
DL

Do as I say and not as I do , an immoral stance for a law maker, is God's policy for sure as He breaks many of His own laws.

Let's hope our earthly law makers do not emulate Him as scripture tells us to do.

Regards
DL

Not in God's opinion. Whose then?

I explained in the post you quoted how God does not break His own laws. In general, a sovereign (i.e. the source of the law) is above the law.

Really!

Is there scripture that says God is above His own laws?

Regards
DL