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Originally Posted by rayfox111
Well theres no sensible explanation where the universe came from, its laws etc are so strange anything is possible.
I'm not talking about the bible god or any other religeon god, just a force that we obviously are ignorant of.
We have a perfectly sensible explanation where the universe came from. It’s just one that theists don’t like and object to. The laws of the universe are not strange. They are expressable in mathematical terms that, for something as large and complex as the universe, are really quite simple. By strange, you likely mean something like “counter to common sense”. Is it really surprising, though, that the laws governing the overall universe are different from our experiences that we gain from observing a quite limited fraction of it, and a fraction that is unrepresentative of the whole?
Unless you are a theist who is narcissistic enough to believe that the very purpose of the universe and its reason for existence is to produce humans, it would not be surprising at all that the universe as a whole works differently than we think it should based on our earth-bound experience. Rather than arguing against the success of science as a way of understanding the universe, IMO the theist has a better argument by conceding that we have a pretty good understanding of the universe. The argument then is “why would we expect the universe to be so easily comprehensible?” A random, purposeless universe would be expected to be less easily explainable.
I must admit, while I don’t find that argument to be convincing enough to make me a believer, I don’t really have an easy answer to it. I do get why we don’t hear this argument more often though. The theist is generally not really arguing “some deity exists”, but rather “some deity exists, and that deity is described with complete accuracy by the writings found in some book that dates back thousands of years”. The latter is quite a different proposition, and my argument above doesn’t really work for it.
Last edited by stremba70; 01-17-2024 at 11:49 AM.