Well, I realize that though I didn't at first. Having not been active in any such debates in my life, I was admittedly rather appalled at the state of affairs in indoctrination. But I'm very interested in this point, Lunkwill, the point at which someones utter buying in to some doctrine can be penetrated. Their minds are not immune to facts/logic/reason ... but only ON THIS SUBJECT are they so. It's not a waste of time in that it evolves my own position. But critically at this juncture, when someone simply can't imagine or even consider that some particular clung to paradigm isn't true, that is the exact point at which awakening can occur ... when suddenly, for some reason, we are willing to apply the same reason, logic, "beginner's mind" to the subject instead of presuming it and reflexively miming the defense of it. I like that subject and for a lot more than just these magic religion beliefs. Who said "Mind ceases to become mind when it is inflexible?" ... something like that. In psychology people believe things about themselves that are just so intransigently ingrained, like this religious BS, that penetrating it and beginning the reassessment, so central to progress, is step 1.

You are miming the cult talking points very well. Is Christianity one of the religions?

you have 205 posts in a thread about God you dont believe in

rational people will objectively note you have poor time management skills engaging in unhealthy behavior

you have created yourself as a god in your own image and that is where it has got you

discern what is true. you still have time to believe

Actually my posts are about the psychology of believing far more so than about any fictional murderous, bigoted, killed-every-fetus-on-earth "god of love" divine being pre-medieval hypothesis.

Is Christianity one of the religions? It's funny, there's a dude who quotes everything back to you then answers. He won't quote that question back and is terrified of the implications if he gets involved in answering it at all. So he runs from it. Not much doubt about why that is.

If you say to yourself, "It's not okay to kill every fetus and child on earth (the flood) for something someone else did" ... you are not defying any almighty god, you are defying the brutal pre-medieval myths and morality of mankind.

If you are okay with the killing of every fetus and child on earth and okay if he does it again (he never changes, you know), then say it out loud: "I am okay with the mass killing and slaughter of children. Such a thing is holy and righteous and it's okay with me if he does it again."

Psychological Reductionism is the last refuge for someone without an argument. - Dennis Prager

Psychology means "study/knowledge of the soul." Do you believe that something properly called a soul actually exists?

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he likes to troll people who believe in God cant be healthy to have such hatred towards self and others

this is the god you have created in your own image fellagaga one who hates himself and others

lose your pride humble yourself try believing in The One True Living God instead

Exodus 34:6-7

The LORD, The LORD GOD, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth.

Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty.


God has exceeding love, mercy, and grace to forgive sins and work together all things, but will by no means clear the guilty who defiantly choose to believe in themselves as gods and hurt other people

the blood of the innocent cries out for justice and God will make all things known to all souls on the last day


if you have a problem with God's morality its because you have created your own morality in your mind and believe yourself to be more just and righteous than God

your morality is corrupted and depraved since your youth, a fusion of evil inherited from your parents, teachers, government propaganda, popular culture, and whatever other trash and filth you have consumed

somehow you believe all this nonsense leads you to the true path when all you do is hurt yourself and hurt others and then cover your nakedness in lies and deceit

who here can appeal to human understanding as his savior when in a few generations your descendants will look back at you as a backwards corrupt piece of scum?

are they not tearing down the statues of the founding fathers even as we speak?

nothing remains of such men except ashes to ashes, dust to dust

but belief in the One True Living God started with one man 4,000 years ago and one nation 3,000 years ago

from that it has flourished across countries, continents, and civilizations

billions of people over half of the worlds population

the unbelievers are dead already the real battle for the souls is true men versus the believers who have been deceived into following false religion

for many will cry out in the last day, LORD, LORD but The LORD will say He never knew them

discern what is true

Behold: a blind zealot ... who believes that if he recites doctrine he is doing something other than proving his indoctrination.

Spirit means "breath" and it exists. Psyche and soul are the same, at least once upon a time, and they exist. Religion tries to make incarnate supernatural entities out of these natural phenomenon, beginning in a highly superstitious and ignorant time, which now, oddly claims omniscience for its ignorance and superstition, thus cementing for all time its zealous and now intentional incomprehension.

Psychological Reductionism is the the last refuge for someone without an argument. -Dennis Prager

I find your blind zealotry for engaging in Psychological Reductionism quite intriguing.

I agree that psyche and soul are the same. I already said that. According to the dictionary.com thesaurus, breath is a "weak synonym" for spirit. But, so what? I never said that either breath or spirit mean the same thing as soul or psyche. I guess I'm having a comprehension problem here. Are you saying that breath, spirit, soul and psyche can be interchangeable? If so, I'll start referring to Psychologists as Breathologists

Note to apologists: Close your mouth and open your mind. Because reciting doctrine is meaningless.

is this the type of religion you believe in?





this woman considers herself a god in her own image a "constellation" of mingled nonsense beliefs



this is what people with no boundaries look like and why God is the Good Shepherd. 'pride' is the single deadlist sin

different colored hair. tattoos all over their bodies. identifying as a dozen genders or acronyms and masturbating to more and more disturbing pornography several times per day

total lack of self-control. just do whatever feels good until you are a morass of indulged feelings. men of rational thought and wisdom should aspire to such heights

Exodus 5:17

Pharaoh commands the Hebrews to make bricks without straw

"Ye are idle, ye are idle: therefore ye say, Let us go and do sacrifice to The LORD."


when God through Moses came into the Hebrews lives, Pharoah tightened their bonds to slavery and ordered them to make bricks without straw

their burdens increased, the Hebrews cried out in pain until they rejected God and Moses pending further signs of deliverance


when God comes into your life, you are similarly enslaved to bondage and sin, and the devil who is the prince of this fallen world tightens your chains

you are made to cry out in pain: ye are idle, ye are idle, therefore you ask to worship The LORD


thats how many are turned away from the true path and create their own constellation of filth and iniquity they call morality like the depraved and perverted in the post above

lest any of you think you are greater than they, remember all who believe in themselves as gods think the same thing


only those who find humility and humble themselves before The LORD will find true wisdom knowledge and understanding as well as love and eternal life

Amen.

According to St. Thomas Aquinas, the Four Forms of Pride:

1. Attributing to ourselves perfections we do not really possess
2. Actually possessing such a perfection but thinking we worked very hard for it and earned it
3. Possessing the perfection and knowing God gave it to us but thinking He did so because we deserved it
4. Knowing God has give us such a perfection undeservedly but being selfish and unwilling to share it with others

the basic proud dunning-kruger fool cant stand to be showed up he lies about how great he is and puffs himself up pretending to be great at everything

the common proud fool perceives not his bias he is the basic hypocrite who thinks he earned everything he has without regard for fortune or all those he cheated and swindled in life

next are those who give glory to God but they are so proud they demand to share the glory and take partial or whole credit for themselves

finally there are those who know the truth but are so selfish they are unwilling to share with others they must hunt for the very last reason to stand above


save yourself from pride and humble yourself before The LORD. sheep need a shepherd they cannot all go their own way

discern what is true

Humility is the antidote to pride

the last virtue of humility is to admit you have been deceived by the culture of your times

the way your parents raised you. the beliefs you acquired from friends. or teachers. government propaganda. popular culture. or whatever other filth and trash you have consumed

all of these pooled together into a poisonous iniquity in your mind until you believed you saw morality but what you really saw was perverted and depraved

go ahead and admit you were deceived

look around at your culture

look back at how every culture and civilization and way of life has fallen

except the laws established by the One True Living God now thousands of years old

from one man and one nation to billions of people all around the world

discern what is true. there is still time

What follows is an except from an unpublished article written by Russ Manion. (I have his permission to post a portion of his article here.) Manion is the co-founder and moderator of a SoCal philosophy discussion group called Dialogue that began in 1980 and continued until about three years ago when he moved to NorCal.

This is an excerpt from an article he shared at his Dialogue group. It is titled, My Take on "Seeing Through Revelation"* & Why I Am A Christian:

People are theists for same reason they are atheists, it is how they make sense of the world. But theists believe the world makes sense specifically because they believe there actually is an explanation for it. For theists the idea that the world makes sense and the idea that there is an explanation for it, in a very deep sense, are the same idea. In that deep sense theism just is the belief that the world makes sense. Atheists sometimes think that if they can point out a problem with some particular way theism is expressed, that theists should give up theism. But from the theist's point of view, they are being asked to believe that the world does not make sense after all, simply because there is a problem with the way they expressed their theism. Given the choice, theists will generally just rethink the way they expresses [sic] their theism. No theist is tempted to believe in a world he thinks is meaningless. Atheists respond to such challenges in the exact same way. This is all "Seeing Through Revelation" would amount to even if it did not have the problems itemized above [earlier in the article not quoted in this except].

It is this "deep sense" which gets to the heart of why I am a Christian. I am absolutely convinced the world is utterly rational, but that is the oppose of accidental. Christianity answers the deep questions, the hard questions. But I do not believe it just because it answers the questions, but because if it is not the answer, then there are no answers, and there is no sense of the world to be made. My reasons can be summarized in just three statements:

1. Only if God exists is it even possible that the world is meaningful.
2. Only if God revealed this to us, could we know it.
3. Only in the historical person of Jesus do we have reason to think God has done this; for it is only there that the precondition of rationality identified in the second statement appears to be actualized.


I understand that without the context of my presentations of the last few years, these statements might be too succinct, and consequently a bit cryptic, but hopefully the following challenges will provide a bit of that context. As these three statements encapsulate my reasons for belief, the following are the responses I would need if I were to stop believing.

1. Explain how things such as rationality, evidence, truth, knowledge, will, consciousness, and morality, conceived as accidents, can even possibly be accidentally meaningful. To be clear I am not asking for an actual detailed account of meaning, that would be asking for too much. Rather, I am asking for a reconciliation of the contradictory claims that the world is both accidental and meaningful. If this question cannot be answered, then theism is a necessary condition for rational human experience and the non-theist has nothing to contribute to the discussion. I must confess, however, that the challenge here is not completely sincere, for to understand this challenge is to understand that it cannot be answered.

2. Understand David Hume's critique of perception and the post-modern critique of modernity, then explain how it is even possible to get past perception and past fictional constructs to a picture of the real world.

3. Demonstrate, on the theistic assumption, that there is no evidence that Jesus died and rose from the dead.

It is important to note that the first two challenges only have to do with epistemology as a possibility, not an actuality; for if it is not meaningful to talk about a thing as being simultaneously an accident and a signifier, then an accidental world evidences nothing, and the third challenge must be addressed on the theistic assumption, as it would be meaningless to address it as natural or neutral.

*This article is a critique of a book critiquing Christianity titled Seeing through Revelation.

repentance isn't just repenting of your sins

it means repenting of your entire way of life. embracing God's ways the true path

repent and be baptized in Christ's catholic church. there is still time

This!

Why catholic church, in fact any church.

I can't speak for Jehova-Jireh, but catholic (lower case "c") does not (necessarily) refer to the Roman Catholic Church. It's a reference to the whole body believer's in Christ throughout the whole world. It is not a denominational reference.

lagtight is right, catholic refers to the one holy catholic and apostolic Church referred to in the Nicene Creed, believed by all mainstream Christianity

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicene_Creed

Christ's church is one body just as a man doesnt have ten or twenty bodies so too Jesus doesnt have ten or twenty different churches. there is one Church

so why are there many different churches then?

two reasons. one men are not perfect they squabble with each other or have cultural divides like east and west. some churches can be similar to each other but have minor differences they make mountains out of molehills. two there are false teachers false churches they claim to be Christian but they have nothing to do with God

Jesus is the Good Shepherd who knows all His sheep. whether they are all in the Roman Catholic Church, or mostly in the Roman Catholic and Orthodox churches, or spread out over different denominations, that's His knowledge- He knows His sheep


you cannot find salvation peace and eternal life outside of Christ's church. there is no other way

all other teachings are inherently false. following them will lead to self-harm, harm of others, death, and since the soul is immortal, eternal pain and suffering

God is the Straight Line pointing away from evil and towards good

God doesnt expect people to be perfect and perfectly trace His Straight Line. He expects you to humble yourself admit you need God to lead you then follow His Straight Line as close as possible

your sins and transgressions will be forgiven and you will find peace joy happiness and eternal life


even Muslims believe in the second coming of Jesus as the Messiah together Christianity, Judaism, and Islam have been around over 4,000 years and now make up over half of the world's population

you see a tree big tall with green leaves and fruit you call that a healthy tree. you see a tree dead wood chopped in half you call it a dead tree.

how then is belief in the One True Living God called superstition? do superstitions grow and thrive until they outlast all other empires on earth?

what God creates and teaches lasts forever. Truth lasts forever

what man creates and teaches dies. false lies do not last forever

discern what is true

Is Christianity one of the religions?

A. Yes
B. No
C. Other. (Such as "sounds dangerous." Better not give a direct answer. If I add enough of a doctrinal spiel to my answer, maybe I can fool someone, especially myself, as to what a "yes" answer implies.)

And so there is this great designer of the atom, of the quantum fields, of the cosmos at large. And it's the same "guy" that killed every child on earth and slaughtered every fetus on earth ... because someone didn't obey "him." You have to believe it to be a true believer.