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05-13-2022 , 08:56 AM
Of course not. Why would I? Because people can tell convincing stories?
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05-13-2022 , 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by LockLow34
Of course not. Why would I? Because people can tell convincing stories?
Hi, LockLow34.

If the story is convincing, then believing them would be the rational choice.

For example, juries often base their verdicts on which side has told the most convincing story.
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05-13-2022 , 10:26 AM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
Hi, urbanwaste. You pose questions that are both very troubling and very important.

Everyone part of the difficult situation detailed above are in an almost unbearable situation.

Physical and emotional suffering, and ultimately death itself, are things we all face (although some certainly suffer more than others).

To whom or what can we turn to for hope in the face of inevitable suffering and death? Every religion, philosophy, worldview, and self-help program, and the like must tackle that question.

In a materialistic and/or atheistic worldview, there is no answer. "Stuff happens", and there's no purpose behind the misery we all face to varying degrees. In a materialistic/atheistic universe, we can do what we can to make those involved in scenarios like the above more comfortable, but there is no answer to the question: Why? It's actually worse than that, in a sense: The question "Why?" is itself a meaningless question, because in such a universe there is no meaning to anything. Everything "just is."

The deist worldview is much like the above. The deistic maker of the cosmos is silent on why such things happen.

The believer in a personal God that is allegedly both good and all powerful must reconcile God's alleged goodness and power with the existence of such misery and inevitable death.

In my next post, I will propose a solution that might be worth considering and discussing.
You have laid out an argument for why you want the atheist or deist worldview to be false. What you have not done is make an argument for why it actually is false. Don’t get me wrong; if it gives you comfort and hope to believe in God, then great. I wish you well. I am not a militant atheist. Others are free to choose what they believe. However, when it comes to actual arguments in favor of your worldview, they are either weak or nonexistent.

Just wanting something to be true does not make it true. You will have to do better than this to convince anyone who is not already a believer. There is no logical or rational reason that “Things just happen without any reason” cannot be a true statement. Personally I find the notion that suffering just happens for no reason comforting, or at least more so than the notion that there is an almighty deity that could prevent that suffering but chooses not to do so. The notion that this deity allows children to starve, women to be raped, innocent civilians to be killed in war zones and the like, all because someone tens of thousands of years ago disobeyed his orders does not really seem all that comforting to me. Besides, I thought that he ended that whole “man must be punished for his sins” stuff a bit over 2000 years ago. Why are we still being punished instead of being forgiven? Why is there still all this suffering? Is your God just sadistic? Sorry, but to mr I find the notion of random suffering far more palatable than a deity that likes to torture us and see us suffer.

Of course I could be wrong — wishing it so doesn’t make it true.
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Yesterday , 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by lagtight
*Absolute Truth: Any statement that is true for everyone, everywhere and at all times.

e.g. "On May 10, 2022, Sacramento was the capitol of California."

The above statement will always be true for everybody, everywhere.
Your example of absolute truth contained in it's first premise the context that limits its truth (to a specific time period). Yes, you actually declared something to be true regardless of context, while also providing the context required that makes it true.

What you described was objectively true, not absolutely true.


Absolute: independent of context.
Relative: dependent on context.
Objective: independent of individual opinion.
Subjective: dependent on individual opinion.


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PS Reading your posts, lagtight, feels like being in Groundhog Day.
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Yesterday , 10:34 PM
Rohr, from inside the church, dissects this fall of Scholastic Philosophy as~~ "degenerating into the need for answers, and preferably certain answers, and preferably absolute answers, and preferably about everything, so that fundamentalism hijacks the very purpose of religion." This is a beautiful expose of the bullshyt "absolute" garbage. It hijacked it so badly that this propensity for just wishing absolutism into being became the motive of monotheism, as a bastardization of the principle of wonder inherent to spiritual inquiry.
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