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Old 07-06-2021, 01:09 AM   #601
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Have you seen the movie Inception?
I can't really read your mind because you never say anything about the real world, just all this doctrinal sophistry incredibly removed from life on this earth with nothing behind it but: "Well, it's one of the religions. And instead of just the one word 'kindness' that is needed, take a gander at this high flying supra doctrinal bullshyt that I can spiel and feel like I'm Yahweh's gift to theology, which itself is chimerical, but precisely because it is so unbelievable we need bukoos of layers of astounding sophistry to bamboozle ourselves and our prey into being impressed enough to convert."

Maybe I can read your mind.
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Old 07-06-2021, 01:43 AM   #602
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I can't really read your mind because you never say anything about the real world, just all this doctrinal sophistry incredibly removed from life on this earth with nothing behind it but: "Well, it's one of the religions. And instead of just the one word 'kindness' that is needed, take a gander at this high flying supra doctrinal bullshyt that I can spiel and feel like I'm Yahweh's gift to theology, which itself is chimerical, but precisely because it is so unbelievable we need bukoos of layers of astounding sophistry to bamboozle ourselves and our prey into being impressed enough to convert."

Maybe I can read your mind.
Ok, kindness. Let’s go with that. Kindness is the highest truth. Lip service doesn’t count. It only matters what is embodied through action, including behavior on this forum.
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Old 07-06-2021, 05:23 PM   #603
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Ok, kindness. Let’s go with that. Kindness is the highest truth. Lip service doesn’t count. It only matters what is embodied through action, including behavior on this forum.
I'm not in the religion. Those who are fail utterly at this on this forum. Almost as if the whole religion was lip service.
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Old 07-06-2021, 06:02 PM   #604
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I'm not in the religion. Those who are fail utterly at this on this forum. Almost as if the whole religion was lip service.
You are the one who proposed that kindness is the “one word needed”. In your mind, kindness should be the highest value for others but not for you? Am I understanding you correctly?
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Old 07-06-2021, 08:57 PM   #605
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You are the one who proposed that kindness is the “one word needed”. In your mind, kindness should be the highest value for others but not for you? Am I understanding you correctly?
In my opinion, trying to "understand" Fella-Gaga is a fool's errand. I recommend just enjoying his random rants, and moving on to more fruitful endeavors.
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Old 07-06-2021, 11:00 PM   #606
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You are the one who proposed that kindness is the “one word needed”. In your mind, kindness should be the highest value for others but not for you? Am I understanding you correctly?
It's all a religion needs. I'm not religious.
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Old 07-06-2021, 11:02 PM   #607
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In my opinion, trying to "understand" Fella-Gaga is a fool's errand. I recommend just enjoying his random rants, and moving on to more fruitful endeavors.
Behold ... a liar to maintain the indoctrination. Imagine that.
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Old 07-06-2021, 11:30 PM   #608
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It's all a religion needs. I'm not religious.
You rant and rave all over this forum about how theists should stop behaving like children, and then your suggestion to fix religion is to infantilize it further. Got it.
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Old 07-09-2021, 03:59 PM   #609
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There is a tension created when the understanding of God as sovereign, just, and good is put in conflict by our direct experience of unnecessary, irreconcilable suffering and evil. To avoid that existential crisis, many choose to sacrifice the truth of their direct experience and instead habitually and unconditionally reconcile through various rationalizations in order to relieve the tension. I understand why you don’t find this admirable.

However, there is another common pattern of behavior often used to avoid this crisis. It is to deny the sovereignty of God while at the same time trying to salvage the ideal, the transcendent good, through frameworks such as Humanism. The result is a good which is no longer transcendent divorced from God. It’s the pattern of building sandcastles and tyrannically blinding yourself to their inadequacy.

When this second person gets exposed to himself and loses the cover of self deception, he will find himself back at the unresolved crisis point and will often scapegoat the first type of person (the habitual reconciler) in a desperate, shortsighted attempt at relieving his built up resentment as a result of his victimhood.

The reality is that God and the sustainable good are two sides of the same coin. Punting on the idea of God, or denying the sovereignty of God, is not a solution to the internal splitting of existential crisis. Just as denying our judgment and unconditionally reconciling with God is not a solution. We are to wrestle with God - an idea that those ignorant, barbaric ancestors of ours already figured out.
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I'm really not sure what you're saying in your entire post, but here you seem to be contrasting two types of theists: one that rationalizes an all-powerful god with the reality of life's suffering vs. one that doesn't consider god to be all-powerful.
The type of person who doesn’t consider the personal or relational version of God to be all powerful shouldn’t be categorized as a theist. It’s more accurate to describe them as a non theist. The non theist uses faith + direct experience to undermine theism when they are in its domain and uses blind faith to undermine atheism when they are in that domain.

The major difference is not between the theist and the atheist, since both are static and both are motivated by the same truth of pain avoidance. The meaningful distinction is really between the non theist (dynamism) and the static theist/atheist dichotomy.

In response to the thread title, “Do you believe in God?” The non theist, through embodiment, answers with yes and no simultaneously.
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Old 07-09-2021, 08:28 PM   #610
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The type of person who doesn’t consider the personal or relational version of God to be all powerful shouldn’t be categorized as a theist. It’s more accurate to describe them as a non theist. The non theist uses faith + direct experience to undermine theism when they are in its domain and uses blind faith to undermine atheism when they are in that domain.

The major difference is not between the theist and the atheist, since both are static and both are motivated by the same truth of pain avoidance. The meaningful distinction is really between the non theist (dynamism) and the static theist/atheist dichotomy.

In response to the thread title, “Do you believe in God?” The non theist, through embodiment, answers with yes and no simultaneously.
I don't believe that a theist necessarily has to believe that God is omnipotent. But a theist does have to believe that God is personal.

Describing someone as a non-theist isn't very informative, as that would include deists, agnostics, atheists, polytheists, and animists, and on and on.
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