Sir! Yes, sir!

The concept of "God" as the transcendent causal force that manifested the universe into being is one of the theological conceptions of "God" which apply to the present circumstance!

Sir!

You may stand down, officer. You are perfect as always.

I think I agree with you now.
It was a mistake to post here.
I apologize.

Lunk, in this forum, you either know yourshit or you play with the ones who do. Guess which group I'm in?

An apology isn't really necessary, and the mistake isn't inherently in posting. Posting can be the start of an interesting journey to pursue ideas deeper than you have before. But it does require a sufficient level of intellectual humility to step into that space of wondering if you're wrong, and trying to understand a perspective that's not your own to see whether there's something that the other side brings to the table.

And that doesn't mean that you can't believe you're "right" in your own view. It just means you have to be open to being wrong, so that you're willing to ask the right types of questions that challenge yourself to grow.

I think more people ought to engage with the philosophy of science and really probe to see what they believe, and whether what they believe is reasonable or not. The same with morality and ethics (especially concepts like justice, fairness, and equality).

But you will never get there with three-line posts.

I apologize for apologizing! ;-)

If you think that God existence is a 6-5 favorite over non existence does that mean "yes".

I'm not against religion at all ... just the magic/supernatural ones. To which supposed god is OP referring of the thousands of candidates nominated by mankind??

The “Do not let your left hand know what your right is doing” teaching applies to this question. It’s best to believe without seeing that you believe, or act like you do without fully realizing that you believe.

Here is a piece of the debate I found interesting. At the poker table a guy proposed a prop bet re amount of atheists/theists at the table. When it came to me I gave him my take, "quantum field as god" (it creates everything by amplifying it into existence, is omnipresent, contains all knowledge/is omniscient ... many of "god's" traits). The guy said that made me a theist. LOL.

The "Quantum Field is God" idea would be more in line with pantheism than theism.

Generally, a theistic God has volition and a "personality", so to speak.

I don't know anything about Quantum Fields, but I'd be surprised that anybody holds the view that it "chooses" or even "desires" to create stuff.

Edit: Omniscience would not apply to a Quantum Field, would it? How can it "know" something (let alone know EVERYTHING)?

What are your priors that the quantum field caused/causes itself to exist?

In other words to be in a trance and have no meta-awareness about yourself or about life outside of the belief system??

And we get a myriad of belief systems like this where they have or seek no understanding outside of their indoctrinated beliefs, all just presuming theirs is the one true belief. Do you see a problem with that in the world?

Oh. Did you solve that one with god?

Yeah it's more pantheistic or even poetic/metaphoric than theistic, which why I lol-ed it. Omniscient in the sense that all knowledge is there, and its alive in some sense, and its real, and its really generating the universe and all things and knowledge in it. The idea does it "choose or desire or know" are only made up attributes of some god characters ... and don't have to apply to a natural explanation. And that's a reason why my quantum field argument isn't really for a god, isn't theistic, but fulfills the roles naturally that made up gods attempt to do supernaturally.

To have read as many posts of mine that you have and to continue to treat me as if I am a simpleton only reflects poorly on you.

No, you did that for me by not providing any reason at all for why you believe the quantum field caused/causes itself to exist, since I can't (nor has anyone else to the best of my knowledge) come up with reasonable grounds for a naturalistic explanation either.

There must be a god, otherwise we can't explain most of things in this life

Pretty much. But even though we can't explain why things exist without an appeal to the supranatural that doesn't mean things can't exist inexplicably. The latter puts the stalwarts of reason in a bit of a bind, though, which I suspect is why they tend to avoid going down that rabbit hole—ain't no fun when the rabbit's got the gun.

Ok. Thanks for the clarification.

So making up thousands of gods and saying mine is the real one is reasonable grounds to explain the existence of the universe?

It exists because there is no such thing as nothing, and the quantum field is a sublime creator of it. Gods who are for stoning children and killing non-virgins ... not so much. And acting like you don't understand that is a force for evil.

Ugh. Why do you always have to go to your stupid place?

We are only simpletons in areas in which we refuse to apply critical thinking and reality testing, and unfortunately, that is the exact position that literalizing myth via religion, puts true believers.

You are implying here that the agency of “true believers” is heavily captured by their religion. I can agree with that.

You are also implying that their agency is not completely captured by their religion, and that there is a truth seeking aspect that transcends religious capture. Otherwise, how can they refuse to apply critical thinking if their agency is completely captured?

Is that fair? If so, you have to ask yourself, what is the most effective strategy of persuasion: to attack what has heavily captured their agency to the point of making any association with it post deconstruction humiliating? You are actually having the opposite effect in doing that because they will want to avoid humiliation.

More likely, you are being deluded into believing that you can humiliate them while they are captured by their belief in order to detach them, but the truth isn’t humiliating and we believe that what we are captured by is true.

Can you see this? If so, you should shift your focus to yourself, on what is deluding you.

Because it proves 100% that the book and religion is not what it claims to be. A better question is why do believers have to avoid it. Yes, I have a god of pure love. He is for killing children, babies, non-virgins ... even for killing almost the whole human race for their humanity. He never changes. And that is all just A-okay with me for as long as I ignore the hell out of it.