I must have missed the explanation of why god killed trillions of animals and organisms that didn't even supposedly inherit a sinful nature. You better run into abstraction and sophistry to explain this, because such things are irreconcilable in reality. "He has the right to and he wanted to ... he wanted to be the greatest mass killer in history by millions of orders of magnitude" seems to be the standard "explanation." Does he not watch over all the little birdies? There might be a problem with some of this doctrine.

Believe in the potential of life, reject the status quo, and accept the Hero’s Journey.

The rationalists are the sophists. What I speak on, I have already I acted on. The rationalists are action-less speculators.

But religion is the status quo. So reject it, right? The hero's journey is indeed the path for human fulfillment, and it is not borne of magic solutions to existential dread, fear of individuation, obedience, old-fashioned superstition, indoctrination, refusal to reassess, lack of critical analysis. Christianity is. Your positions are utterly self-contradictory.

Your understanding of Christianity (and reality) is shallow and deluded.

There is one Hero’s Journey and Christ is the one man who participates in and completes the HJ. You can’t know the HJ without being in relationship with him. If you know the HJ, then you follow him and are in union with him to some degree.

You follow Christ but trash Christianity in my eyes. What is Christianity if not to follow Christ?

Jesus is just one who walked the path of the hero's journey. As such he is an archetype for it, like anyone else who walks that path is. All the magic around him is made up. He's just one of us. Consider the ridiculous religion designing that happened long after his death, and that it is a very, very tiny step in such designing from: "I am the way" to "This path of mine is the way." "I am the way, the truth and the light" from "I am on the path of truth and light" is the magic adaptation of the story by religion designers, a hobby old as the species.

You are part of the way there. The path existed before the world came to be. The path has never not existed.

In the same way, the spirit of the one who knows and walks the path has never not existed. That spirit is Christ. To the degree that you know and walk the path is the degree that you follow and are in union with that spirit called Christ.

The path doesn’t call you - the spirit does. The way, life, and truth is through that spirit, who walks the path.

For life to continue on Earth everything must die. In verse 5 God says, "Behold, I make all things new."

If the birdies, fruit, land didn't die what would you eat.

Everything has to die and be reborn for life on earth to continue.

And Jesus tells us that the only way to get to heaven is through him by the ascendancy of the soul.

Nothing made of flesh has entered heaven.

Wow. A new precinct weighs in with the equivalent of: since everything living dies, it is okay and moral to kill every living thing. For the true believer, it is just any apology, any rationalization for maybe mass slaughter isn't loving. No, it isn't. If it was, then we are all aspiring to the day when our love is so perfected that we kill for disobedience. Go to hell with that morality and mentality.

But you kill. You eat meat, you walk around and you step on snails, when you drive you swat a fly on your mirror.

You have children knowing that they will have to endure death.

First God created the heavens. Then the fallen angels rose up against God and they were cast out of heaven.

In the Garden of Eden Eve was tempted by the devil and she ate the forbidden fruit disobeying God casting man into sin.

No sin gets to enter heaven. Jesus says the entry to heaven is very narrow. Most people don't get in. Only by being aware of your sin and repenting, giving yourself to Jesus can you get into heaven.

Death is maybe a second of pain and then its just a nothing.

This life is a test that separates good from bad.

Life is intentionally difficult to test people. If God wanted this life to be happy there would be strawberries, oranges, pears, on every branch. But, there isn't. You have to fight and struggle to survive. That's where the nature of your soul is tested.

Understand the relationship between heaven and earth:
When Jesus spoke of death, it was taught within the context of teaching eternal life. When I speak about the serpent of death on this forum, it is within the framework of the promise of eternal life written on your heart.

You only hold death in one hand after you hold the promise of life in the other. It is written that the Son of Man establishes his kingdom on earth. Whoever has ears to hear should listen.

You guys keep quoting your stories as if this were proof of something.
How convincing would you find an argument I made about life & death and quoted the Koran or the Bhagavad Gita, Aesop's fables, or "The Hitchhiker's Guide to The Galaxy" to give my argument legitimacy?

BTW, if you just want to consider "holy books".... there are a LOT of them!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_texts
but only yours is right?

+1
About Valhalla too ?

Stories illustrate morality and reality. There are moral truths (how we should act) and truths about reality. If you want to share a story with a high level of truth, then I’m interested.

This is a key point and one reason I keep harping on the flood slaughter. Once someone admits that is not so horrendous because it is just a story, then what follows is what else is story: salvation, sin, resurrection, miracles, streets of gold heaven, demons and devils, ghost including holy ones ... And on and on. The apologist MUST SAY MASS KILLING IS LOVING or else they end up seeing the whole thing is just story.

Is the Hero’s Journey a story?

Both real and stories about it, I'd say. If that's your point, drop the magic parts for actual reality and it works better.

It still isn't clear to me why you find The Great Flood per se morally problematic.

I could see how one could find the fact that God eventually causes/allows death to all living things morally problematic.

But given that all living things do die at some point, why is God accelerating the process by way of the Great Flood especially morally problematic?

God eventually kills all living things: Including you!!

I would encourage you to get right with God before it's too late!

Jesus is M.A.G.I.C.!

M= Man
A= And
G= God
I= Is
C= Christ

In that way, stories help us relate to reality.

Believing the path is real but getting stuck and denying the one who knows the path is part of the journey (“You will deny me”).

Enough of the childish trolling.

After this betrayal is forgiveness and the crushing rock of justice.

Anyone who is only willing to forgive and be forgiven if they can avoid justice will not be able to navigate through this part.

Stories and legend are just a way to pass down knowledge imo .
Kind of a way to teach history .
Adding god implication in it just makes it more of an “important” fact to pass on through ages .

Yes there was big flood due to ice melting and other reasons many times many millennia ago .
So they put a Noah story in there shrug .

That do not mean mean god had any implication in this (like many other weather catastrophes ) or that proves the existence of god either ….

Historical fact is low level truth. Shrug is right. Your entire presence on this forum can be summed up as a shrug. Recognize when it’s time to be quiet and listen.

Ilmao

Thx for clearing my lungs off for 10sec