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Originally Posted by BeaucoupFish
re: hell, for a moment I thought you were going to make the point that there is not much in the Bible to really make a strong claim that there is such a place - then I remembered you were Catholic!!
That would indeed be a further point. It depends a bit on what exactly you associate with hell. However, since deciding whether something is a big deal to biblical authors or not depends on having some inkling on what biblical authors actually do worry about, it seemed easier to go after the obvious flaw.
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re: the third point, can you explain what you mean that Christianity and the Christian religion as not interchangeable?
I've had a discussion on this with OrP some while back. To me, Christianity exemplifies/practices the christian religion. Meaning, I take christianity to be, roughly, a group of people, buildings, institutions etc., over a period of ~2 millenia. The christian religion is the set of beliefs, rules and practices that unites them under a religious identity (though that unity is obv. fairly loose and non-specific).
One can, of course, argue for a different understanding of the two notions. I was more objecting to the interchangeable usage of both therms in a way that didn't give any indictation that he was/is aware of the implications of such a usage.
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Originally Posted by DucoGranger
Freto, as a bro in Christ, please tell me how these things dont apply to Christianity because its fairly obvious I have it wrong.
Why - I seems like a reasonable set of requirements. Obv. one would have to take them with a grain of salt, but in general, one can probably make a case for them.
Last edited by fretelöo; 06-04-2013 at 06:47 AM.