I'd say 120 is right for the forum though SMP is higher. I'm one of the less intelligent posters in RGT and I've scored a 135 online and a 142 in a book test so definitely everyone on here's at least a 120. You're probably at least a 150 RLK.

No one here has a real IQ of 150

Why not?

3.3 SD above the mean.... just very unlikely

And you note I said real IQ. ... most tests do not accurately judge IQ

I never understand Christians who say they believe Jesus died for their sins but dont believe the world was created in 6 days.

I mean, him dying for your sins and rising from the death you believe but the world being created in 6 days is all of a sudden impossible?


If someone is able to rise people from the death he surely can create the world in 6 days, imo.

With one hand tied behind his back even.

I don't think Christians believe God is not able to create the world in 6 days.

My opinion, it could have been 1 second, and it could have been more than decades.

you know you are basing everything you say from a book that was written long before people even realized that the earth is not flat and the center of our solar system. you are claiming your beliefs are the only truth and not seem to accept any chance for any other theory. you are saying all the other religions are lies and seem only to support the beliefs you could grew up hearing about / started researching later in your life? are your parents religious? how can you only give possibility to one theory/belief when you think how much the world has developed / how many new things people have found out in the last 100-200 years for example

you said:

do you think all atheists or people who dont believe in god are like this or just him? I was born christian (though my family was never religious or atleast they never showed it much and they didnt make me believe what they believed), I had mandatory of one hour per week religion classes in school and when I was around 6-8 years old I wanted a bible as christmas present. now i am 25, left the church officially about 5 years ago (not that I ever went there but now I don't have to pay taxes to them if I ever get a real job).

my point being if you are saying ppl who are atheists were forced not to believe in god and not to think themselves you are horribly wrong.

you also said:

I'm certainly prepared to accept if some of the theories I believe atm are wrong (little or a lot, partly or the whole way). I hope most atheists/agnostic are.

I won't even do the counter part for that since I already know the answer
You just brought up one thing I personally dislike about theists. They seem to belief things that they think make sense so fanatically but then when something sounds a bit ridiculous then it is only misunderstood or not to be taken literally etc.

I agree with you. While there are a lot of theists who are also very good at math etc the religious people I have seen tend to be ones who are not very good at math, know little about sciense but still need answers so they turn to religion because everything is easier and gives answers to them.

I know that sounds a bit harsh but I can't express what I feel in English that much. If someone feels they know what I think feel free to write it in a better way

Another (divinely inspired) Bible story. In this gem from the "New Testament" a husband and wife are snuffed out for not posting the big blind.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...10&version=NIV

Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property. With his wife's full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles' feet.

Then Peter said, "Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? Didn't it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn't the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied to men but to God."

When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened. Then the young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.

About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. Peter asked her, "Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?"
"Yes," she said, "that is the price."

Peter said to her, "How could you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Look! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also."

At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband.

Do Christians actually believe this? Was the rake 100%?

hint: Most have never read this story.

The Ananias and Sapphira story reminded me of this encounter between Jeff Lisandro and Prahlad Friedman.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yLF22lIuFQ
(keep watching. don't stop it)

Of course one story is complete fiction, and the other actually happened.

The reason why God killed them is that they lied and said they were giving the entire proceeds from the sale of the land. When in actuality they held back a part deceptively. If you read the chapter before you can understand the context of this story.Believers were doing this out of their own free will for the good of the community. Rake is not an accurate metaphor. But you don't acknowledge this because you are biased.

Where does it say that Ananias lied?

Does God kill people who do not give all their money?

Don't be biased.

Is this an awesome and loving God? Or just another Fairy Tale?

The magic words are:







Three in one.

Read the entire quote.

It says he lied in verse 3

No one was required to give any money.

God is loving, but he is also just and will punish those who sin.

Do you really believe that God killed Ananias and Sapphira because they did not give all the money from the sale of their property to the Apostles?

so do tell, when did this "age of grace" start? cause clearly it must have been after this incident cause this sounds too much like the vengeful OT God, not the loving, "won't interfere with free will", give you a chance to repent, post NT God.

Good point.

The reason it doesn't make any sense is because

No, but because they lied about it.

What age of grace?

Romans 6:23
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

Is God aware, d'ja think, of the stats that show that capital punishment is an ineffective method of crime control?

Doesn't God kill everyone?

Too bad about Arianias. God killed him because he lied!

In your theory, does God kill all liars, or was it just Ananias and Sapphira as examples?

Did God abandon his plan to have people donate everything because Ananias and Sapphira did not want to contribute everything? Did they screw it up for everyone, like Adam and Eve did? Was there a talking serpent who gave them the idea?

Ponder this: Does this story make any 4King sense?

I did it again. Asking embarrassing questions. What is the proper way to makes these points without making you guys feel bad? This probably sounds too confrontational.

Here is the introduction to the story (from http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...37&version=NIV)

All the believers were one in heart and mind. No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.

Joseph, a Levite from Cyprus, whom the apostles called Barnabas (which means Son of Encouragement), sold a field he owned and brought the money and put it at the apostles' feet.

Why was Joseph (Barnabas) specifically mentioned as Voluntarily Putting Money Into the Pot?

You either have terrible reading comprehension or you are just trolling.

Neither actually.

Here are some possibilities:

1. God killed Ananias and Sapphira, and will kill anyone who commits a similar offense.
2. God killed Ananias and Sapphira, but no longer kills liars and thieves.
3. Peter and his associates (they were the only other people in the room) killed Ananias and Sapphira.
4. The entire story is a lie, that was created to induce fear.

• Am I correct that you consider scenario #1 to be the most likely?
  
• I consider scenario #4 to to be the most likely.

Where is the problem with my reading comprehension?

Not believing ridiculous stories is not trolling.

Is this another Adam and Eve type story, where Ananias and Sapphira screwed things up for everyone else?

Do you think that pyramid schemes, like the one described in
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...37&version=NIV
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...10&version=NIV
are sustainable?

Does anything in that story make any sense at all?

Pyramid scheme lol!?

Now I know you are trolling.

It is an unsustainable business model, aka pyramid scheme.

Some might also call it communism. Everyone turns over everything in exchange for having their needs met.

No one claimed that any of his possessions was his own, but they shared everything they had. With great power the apostles continued to testify to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and much grace was upon them all. There were no needy persons among them. For from time to time those who owned lands or houses sold them, brought the money from the sales and put it at the apostles' feet, and it was distributed to anyone as he had need.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...37&version=NIV

Are you claiming that it is sustainable, or that you prefer to call it communism, or perhaps another name?

How long do you think they could last selling off their land and houses?

I think the answer is


Was this another example of God's perfect plan gone wrong. Or just another goofy story?